Pegasus accident in SAW; just reported
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Well, FlightRadar24 shows whole flight pretty nicely. I can not imagine it being so wrong that it would mess this up. Probably weather east of airport forced them to use 06.
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S**tty day with a potentially 27kt tailwind. Sound decision making all round🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️. Having worked in this part of the world, I’m hardly surprised unfortunately. Still would have gone for the “greaser” no doubt.
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Here's the recording: https://archive-server.liveatc.net/l...2020-1500Z.mp3
The crash occurs about 20 minutes into the recording.
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Are we seriously suggesting they landed with a tailwind of that strength and a wet runway?
if so what on earth were they thinking, absolute clowns.
if that is the case their AOC must now be pulled after 3 similar events in the last couple of years.
if so what on earth were they thinking, absolute clowns.
if that is the case their AOC must now be pulled after 3 similar events in the last couple of years.
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Landed 1520Z Runway 06. Notam issued 1531Z.
METAR LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG=
We don't have exact wind measurement at touchdown yet, but which insurance company will be willing to do business with Pegasus still?
METAR LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG=
We don't have exact wind measurement at touchdown yet, but which insurance company will be willing to do business with Pegasus still?
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From FR24 and Google Earth the last data point looks like it is probably accurate. From the ADS-B data they were still airborne past intersection G-M, more than halfway down the 9843 foot runway.
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Here's the FlightRadar24 blog post with the granular dataset:
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/p...y-in-istanbul/
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/p...y-in-istanbul/
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Where did I say that? I just said that according to FR24 they were for 06 which is obviously true. And they probably were not the only going for this RWY in this weather. Maybe there was something in arrival/approach for 24. I was just commenting the decision for 06.
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The Trabzon incident was caused by the Captain overriding the FO whom had elected to go around due to vis being below the required minima. The aircraft landed deep with one reverser locked out and slewed off to the left. The crew tried to cover the mess up by claiming the trust levers advanced, which is possible if the aircraft lands in TOGA mode..which i did, real issue is the decision to continue to land. The last skid off at SAW was clearly pilot error, wet runway, landing with rudder applied and over controlling. This latest fiasco is yet another example of the gung- ho attitude and commercial pressures on the crews. I've landed at SAW hundreds of times, it's not unusual to have a tail wind whilst descending on the 06 ILS, especially above 400 AGL. If the TWC is out of limits, which it apparently may have been, the correct action must be taken, as demonstrated by previous aircraft. I know may PGS crews, they are not all cowboys and in fairness the management did mark some cards after the Trabzon incident, seems some slipped through the net!
