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Holidaymaker flies aircraft to his holiday destination.

Old 5th Sep 2019, 08:55
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Positioning, in uniform. Owing to a crewing mix-up, there was no pilot. I rang, and offered to operate. Nope, over total flight hours in last 28 days; couldn't operate till the following day. (we were working hard). The pilot who should have got off, having finished a week away from home, was told to operate, and have another night in the hotel at destination.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 09:11
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Originally Posted by ezydriver View Post
I must be in the minority, I donít take my licence with
me when I go on holiday.
Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 09:23
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Seems like a refreshing dose of common sense. In earlier times I can remember doing ferry flights in normal clothes. I am equally impressed that Easyjet ops can make a decision that quickly. The whole thing reflects well on them, including the open communication.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 09:33
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours?
Surely when an off-duty professional pilot gets a phone call saying “we’re short of a pilot, can you fly today?” they make a grown-up assessment whether they’re fit and able to fly, and if not for any reason, they say “sorry, no, unable.” Depending on their employer thay may have to explain why: “sorry, no, I’m drunk.” OTOH, if by an outside chance they’re sober and willing to fly, that’s when they turn up in civvies.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 10:15
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Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours?
Surely when an off-duty professional pilot gets a phone call saying “we’re short of a pilot, can you fly today?” they make a grown-up assessment whether they’re fit and able to fly, and if not for any reason, they say “sorry, no, unable.”
I was looking at that question from another perspective. In light of recent and past events, what if a pilot becomes incapacitated and you could be an extra pair of professional hands to assist the remaining pilot (assuming a two crew FD of course)?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 10:19
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I've flown in plain clothes as well, once while ferrying, the other time I was called from a standby before my standby even begun. I was in a shop, fetching groceries when the dispatch called. Apparently they called somebody before, an hour went by, something happened to this guy so the ops were running out of time and options.

License not being on your person is not a problem. If you get a ramp check and don't have it on you, the ops have a copy of it and can email it to whoever is interested to see it. A much more important piece of kit is the crew member certificate/and/or any proxy cards you might need to pass through security.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Sobelena View Post
I was looking at that question from another perspective. In light of recent and past events, what if a pilot becomes incapacitated and you could be an extra pair of professional hands to assist the remaining pilot (assuming a two crew FD of course)?
As others have said you would have to use your professional judgement.

Certainly when travelling on "my own dollar" I'm not going to sit in my seat like a coiled spring, refusing a glass of wine or a beer, just in case.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 10:53
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I have reservations about him identifying his family as passengers. In any problems in the cabin they would be valuable hostages/targets. He did not have to point them out. No problems, this time.
The Dft did at one time briefly consider banning crew relatives in the cabin.
thatís what I was thinking
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 11:09
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Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 11:25
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
If you read the story in full then youíll find the guy noticed the flight was delayed before leaving home for the airport. Quick look on the easyJet rostering system and noticed they were struggling to get a Captain for the flight due to the huge delays from the french ATC system failing the day before.

So this Captain took his licence and ID just in case they were still struggling when he arrived for the flight.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 13:55
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Photocopy

Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post

In fact, I believe most large U.S. airlines have a procedure in the operations manual allowing operation of the aircraft without the proper uniform. You don't want a plane parked because someone's suitcase is stolen overseas. You are supposed to get an authorization message from the ops department. Or, so they tell me. I've certainly left my uniform in the closet of an international hotel on a trip that alternated operating legs and deadheads in civilian clothes.

There are similar procedures for operating with faxed or emailed copies of licenses and medicals if the originals are lost or stolen downline although this may only apply to domestic operations.

A United pilot showed up for a flight in civvies a couple of years ago:



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN15R0RC
In FAA land we can no longer use a Photocopy/EMail from Crew Records etc. A temporary certificate has to be requested on https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...rmen_services/
This is a recent change and may not be as well known as some.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 13:56
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
Anyone wanting to Jumpseat home.....
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 14:39
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Originally Posted by lederhosen View Post
Seems like a refreshing dose of common sense. In earlier times I can remember doing ferry flights in normal clothes. I am equally impressed that Easyjet ops can make a decision that quickly. The whole thing reflects well on them, including the open communication.
Absolutely agree with your comment.

Ages back while on B-737 we deadheaded as crew from FRA to GVA in civvies to start the first leg of a 4 day European rotation early next morning.
We arrived in GVA - our suitcases didn't.
Next morning suitcases were still missing.
We decided to operate the flight in civvies - made an announcement ( lunch in FRA, dinner in GVA, suitcases gone ... ) and flew the flight in civvies before ending the rotation in FRA as suitcases were still MIA.
They turned up a few days later having been sent to Damascus, of all places despite having a DH label on them for GVA..

No complaints, everybody happy - except for us as we missed a night-stop in Ankara.,
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 15:54
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Originally Posted by neilki View Post
In FAA land we can no longer use a Photocopy/EMail from Crew Records etc. A temporary certificate has to be requested on https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...rmen_services/
This is a recent change and may not be as well known as some.
#PSA
Thanks for the update.

Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours?
Whether you could legally drink alcohol while on a company deadhead out of uniform has been the subject of debate where I've worked. Domestic folks would say of course you can't drink, you are on duty. International types would say, of course you can, we do it all the time.

Inevitably, someone has an incident or is unavailable to operate and the policy gets 'clarified'.

On some international sectors deadheading crew are required to be in civilian clothes for security reasons, on others they must be in uniform for crew status in customs and immigration.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 16:04
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Originally Posted by beardy View Post
I have reservations about him identifying his family as passengers. In any problems in the cabin they would be valuable hostages/targets. He did not have to point them out. No problems, this time.
The Dft did at one time briefly consider banning crew relatives in the cabin.
That would not be beyond the sheer idiocy that goes on in the UK Dft.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 19:42
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Originally Posted by B737900er View Post
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
Those with a license small enough to fit in your wallet. Like here in FAA-land where it's the size of a credit card.

Mine is always in my wallet. Not because I need it, but because I might need it. Just like my health insurance card, backup credit card, AOPA card, etc.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 20:54
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Have flown in jeans and T as was positioning with uniform in hold and operating pilot fell ill. ID and a hi-viz was all that was needed.

Saw an EZY FO going to the aircraft in alpinestars leather jeans and boots but with work shirt and tie (forgot his kit bag on day one)

i nearly did the same commuting by motorbike once but found some trousers in lost and found box!
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 21:26
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Originally Posted by neilki View Post
Anyone wanting to Jumpseat home.....
Sometimes pilots go where they could also do some scenic flights. There you go, you need a license for that.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp View Post
Except for the fact that on International flights You have to wear a uniform.
At least outside the Cockpit ,,,,,,,
Then again DenimAir solved that problem,,,,
Sadly cockpit didn't get jeans...
The only time I tried to ferry an aircraft in jeans Spanish security didn't let me past until I listed myself as a jump seater....
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 08:44
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It’s only ‘news’ because he stood at the front and rambled on about it. Plenty have done it and plenty more will.
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