Russia - Plane crash lands in field after bird strike
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The theoretical procedure is great in time available situation. You, I or anyone faced with this situation of both engines out low level will use instinct - " Oh s**t" - fly the airplane to the best of your abilities.
[QUOTE=GordonR_Cape;10546652]No hard-news in this video, but a better summary of the events than most (including this forum).
Good description of how the engines and aircraft work, but should not be taken as factual of what happened in a timeline
Good description of how the engines and aircraft work, but should not be taken as factual of what happened in a timeline
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pilots had seconds to decide, they decided, landed the airplane in the corn field. That is all that matters. Post festum lamentation and discussion what they should have and not should have done is irrelevant. The only thing relevant at this point is information, weather they were trained in small airplanes first (so they DO know how to fly an aircraft), or they were one of those "iPad" pilots (which I doubt).
Yes, while it's useful background it doesn't really add a lot to what we already know. I'm curious to know how he can assert so confidently that the RAT deployed.
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Russia bird strike: How cool heads glided jet down to safety
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Media captionFootage from inside the plane showed it striking birds after take-offThe Russian pilots who crash-landed a fuel-laden Airbus jet in a corn field, without any serious harm to the 233 people on board, are being hailed as heroes.The A321 was moments into its flight, after taking off from Moscow's Zhukovsky airport, when a flock of seagulls got sucked into its engines, causing both to fail.
Russians are comparing the drama to "Miracle on the Hudson" - the bird strike that almost doomed an Airbus over New York in 2009, but ended happily when the pilot landed the jet safely in the Hudson River.
What happened to the Russian A321?
It was a regular flight from Moscow to Simferopol, in Crimea, with 226 passengers on board, mostly going on holiday to the seaside.The Ural Airlines plane weighed as much as 77 tonnes and pilot Damir Yusupov told reporters how narrowly the passengers and seven crew had escaped disaster.
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionCapt Damir Yusupov was praised for a "textbook" crash-landingThe plane was climbing, accelerating, when first one engine, then the other, suddenly shut down.When one engine failed they thought they could still turn back to the airport, Capt Yusupov said.
"When we saw that the second was also losing power, despite all of our efforts, the plane began losing height," he said.
"I changed my mind several times, because I was planning to gain height," he said. But Flightradar data shows that the A321 had only reached 243m (797ft).
"I planned to reach a certain height, hold it there, figure out the engine failure, make the correct decision, work it all out. But then it turned out there was really hardly any time."
Capt Yusupov and his co-pilot, Georgi Murzin, managed to stop the fuel supply to the engines and kept the jet level, gliding it down into the corn field, without lowering the undercarriage. With the wheels down, there is a risk of flying debris rupturing the plane's fuel tanks.He said he had practised emergency landings on a flight simulator at Ural Airlines.
"I really don't feel like a hero," he said. "I did what I had to do, saved the plane, the passengers, the crew."
Yuri Sytnik, one of Russia's top pilots, told the daily Komsomolskaya Pravda: "The crew did everything by the book: shut down the engines... brought the plane down really smoothly, touched down first with the tail section, as required, killed the speed - that's a very tricky moment: you don't dip the nose, don't let an engine hit the ground."
Passengers were evacuated via escape slides and were told to get away from the plane quickly.An 11-year-old boy, Vitya Babin, said: "One of the stewardesses said there was smoke coming from the plane and we immediately panicked. We ran after one of the men. He said follow me."
About 70 of the passengers got medical attention, as the landing was rough and they were bruised, but just one woman needed to stay in hospital.
Luckily, the high-standing maize crop acted like a cushion, and it was damp from rain, so sparks did not ignite it. In many other directions around Moscow the jet would have come up against a terrain of roads and buildings.
Image copyrightREUTERSHow big is the risk of bird strikes?
Russia's Vedomosti daily reports that bird strikes are more common in Russia than in most other European countries.According to its data, in 2015 there were 411 bird strikes in Russia, and last year 1,021. But it is a daily hazard in aviation worldwide.
There is a rubbish dump that attracts birds, just 2km (1.2 miles) from Zhukovsky airport, according to Vedomosti. Other Russian dailies also point to illegal rubbish dumps near airports as a serious hazard.
Moscow officials quoted by Tass news agency however said the nearest rubbish dump to Zhukovsky was 14km away.
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Grilles could not be installed on the engines, because they would interfere with the aerodynamics and air supply, cutting the jet's speed and thrust, he said.
Airports use various methods: scarecrows, big shiny balls like those in discos, fire engines with loud sirens, cannon firing blanks and jets of water.
According to Gen Popov, August is a risky time, when young birds are taking wing, adventurous and full of energy.
How does this case differ from the Hudson River landing?
The New York drama was turned into a movie, "Sully: Miracle on the Hudson", and the Moscow flight could well be similarly immortalised.Russian pilots interviewed by BBC Russian spoke of some significant differences, although both flights were almost doomed by bird strikes, and in both cases there was total engine failure.
All 155 people aboard the US plane were rescued by nearby boats and there were few serious injuries. The Moscow flight had a similar happy ending.
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionThe US Airways jet lying in the Hudson River in January 2009The Russian A321 pilots had less flying experience, whereas the US Airways pilot was aged 57, with 30 years' experience, and had also flown fighter jets.The two Russians, however, had both graduated with top marks from a top civil aviation college. Capt Yusupov joined Ural Airlines in 2013, aged 33, after college; before then he had worked as a lawyer.
The Russians had less time to react. The US Airways jet had climbed to 975m before the bird strike - three times higher than the A321.
In both cases, there were safe landing sites: a corn field and a fairly shallow stretch of the Hudson River.
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Russian pilots interviewed by BBC Russian spoke of some significant differences, although both flights were almost doomed by bird strikes, and in both cases there was total engine failure.
Ural Airlines flt still got one engine running, delivering elec and hyd.
NORMAL LAW?
Among all the various investigation as contributors, the issue of bird control should receive top billing.
In my view this is not comparable to the Sully-Hudson incident regarding the bird hazard itself.
Assuming that the initial ident are gulls (in video), and first flight of the day. It is typical for gulls to rest on flat open ground where bird-lookouts have a good field of view of predators. Most airport bird management recognizes this and sends out a vehicle to clear the runway if it has not been active for a length of time. Too many lessons learned in the data about this in the early jet years.
In my view this is not comparable to the Sully-Hudson incident regarding the bird hazard itself.
Assuming that the initial ident are gulls (in video), and first flight of the day. It is typical for gulls to rest on flat open ground where bird-lookouts have a good field of view of predators. Most airport bird management recognizes this and sends out a vehicle to clear the runway if it has not been active for a length of time. Too many lessons learned in the data about this in the early jet years.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKCN1V615W
Russians have said it was a miracle that no one was killed when the Ural Airlines Airbus 321 struck a flock of gulls on Thursday, disrupting its engines and forcing it to land less than two minutes after it took off.
Putin, in a decree published on the Kremlin's website, handed captain Damir Yusupov and co-pilot Georgy Murzin Russia's highest state award - the Hero of Russia. He granted the Order of Courage, another top state award, to five flight attendants.
Kremlin hands top state honors to pilots after crash-landing
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday bestowed top state honors on two pilots for courage and heroism after they safely landed a packed passenger plane in a cornfield near Moscow as its engines were failing.Russians have said it was a miracle that no one was killed when the Ural Airlines Airbus 321 struck a flock of gulls on Thursday, disrupting its engines and forcing it to land less than two minutes after it took off.
Putin, in a decree published on the Kremlin's website, handed captain Damir Yusupov and co-pilot Georgy Murzin Russia's highest state award - the Hero of Russia. He granted the Order of Courage, another top state award, to five flight attendants.
Airbus Flight Control Systems -
Speaking to RT the Capt, Damir Yusupov 41 said he was in Manual law..... not sure what he meant by that...
He did say there were other options and it’s good that we didn't use them – if we had tried to go back, I don't know what would have happened.
He’d originally wanted to gain some height then turn the plane around, but when he saw that the second engine had also failed, he knew it was quickly clear that hitting the ground was going to be “inevitable.”
Co-pilot Georgy Murzin 23 said that Yusupov took over control and landed the Airbus A321 in manual mode: “Around lift off/during the takeoff, birds went into both the engines. The port engine stalled immediately, and then the other engine too, and all the rpm's became uneven.
Then, the second engine stalled too, there wasn’t enough thrust, and our altitude (max ALT reached was 750') began dropping rapidly. We landed in a field in manual mode.”
Sully and his co-pilot had 208 seconds - how long did these guys have...?
Amazing job and the A321 stayed intact.
Seen Boeing's that have rather a tendency to crack up in 3 or 4 bits (BY 757 at GRO and a fair few 737NG's)
Speaking to RT the Capt, Damir Yusupov 41 said he was in Manual law..... not sure what he meant by that...
He did say there were other options and it’s good that we didn't use them – if we had tried to go back, I don't know what would have happened.
He’d originally wanted to gain some height then turn the plane around, but when he saw that the second engine had also failed, he knew it was quickly clear that hitting the ground was going to be “inevitable.”
Co-pilot Georgy Murzin 23 said that Yusupov took over control and landed the Airbus A321 in manual mode: “Around lift off/during the takeoff, birds went into both the engines. The port engine stalled immediately, and then the other engine too, and all the rpm's became uneven.
Then, the second engine stalled too, there wasn’t enough thrust, and our altitude (max ALT reached was 750') began dropping rapidly. We landed in a field in manual mode.”
Sully and his co-pilot had 208 seconds - how long did these guys have...?
Amazing job and the A321 stayed intact.
Seen Boeing's that have rather a tendency to crack up in 3 or 4 bits (BY 757 at GRO and a fair few 737NG's)
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VMC, level fields ahead, the chances were much better than in the lottery.
Still a great job. This is why we have humans sitting in row zero.
IMC/Night, build up areas around the airport and the chances would have been slim.
Video looks like a flaps 1 (slats but no flaps) configuration at landing. Strange, but maybe not the worst option to have the wing staying intact.
Looking forward for the report, again a lot to be learned.
Still a great job. This is why we have humans sitting in row zero.
IMC/Night, build up areas around the airport and the chances would have been slim.
Video looks like a flaps 1 (slats but no flaps) configuration at landing. Strange, but maybe not the worst option to have the wing staying intact.
Looking forward for the report, again a lot to be learned.
Create job by all the crew involved.
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I didn't see anyone post the FlightRadar24 profile for this flight: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/u...fter-take-off/
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I killed a bird at night over Madrid some time ago at ca 3500 agl.
Oddest thing ever, as it hit the radome when the FO selected OFF on the gear lever, with a BOING!
We had no idea we hit a dammed bird so we speculated wildly as to what the Dickens the BOING was all about.
On approach we dropped the gear well early just in case we had to run the QRH ( The Boeing one).
Anyway
After washing the radome and clearing the teck log we departed a few minutes late.
An Owl I figure, but VMC, so right You are: Not to many Night IFR rated birds around, and certainly one less in Madrid TMA !
Regards
Cpt B
PS
On the same flight I had an off duty Police Officer arrested for smoking in the lavatory!
I was going to let him off with a warning, but then he pulled out his badge,,,,,,,
Bad mistake!!
Back to the Airbus tractor pull,,,
DS
Oddest thing ever, as it hit the radome when the FO selected OFF on the gear lever, with a BOING!
We had no idea we hit a dammed bird so we speculated wildly as to what the Dickens the BOING was all about.
On approach we dropped the gear well early just in case we had to run the QRH ( The Boeing one).
Anyway
After washing the radome and clearing the teck log we departed a few minutes late.
An Owl I figure, but VMC, so right You are: Not to many Night IFR rated birds around, and certainly one less in Madrid TMA !
Regards
Cpt B
PS
On the same flight I had an off duty Police Officer arrested for smoking in the lavatory!
I was going to let him off with a warning, but then he pulled out his badge,,,,,,,
Bad mistake!!
Back to the Airbus tractor pull,,,
DS
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