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Russia - Plane crash lands in field after bird strike

Old 15th Aug 2019, 13:04
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Agreed.

To be honest this was more ballistic trajectory than anything else. They were smart / lucky enough not to try anything bone headed (like a return to runway). That's about it I guess.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 13:08
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Forget the gear. I mean the chances of even getting three greens at such height is fairly slim when the decision to drop is even made.

The only checklist Im aware of for 500ft failures are Trim/Pick Field/Land. Those who start looking at checklists usually end up dead.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 13:18
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Finally, a few sensible and realistic comments!
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 13:50
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Originally Posted by BDAttitude
I'd be interested in the kinematics with respect to the pitch axis of a MLG in soft ground.
Anyone knows any studies or reports?
BA008 at LHR is instructive, main gear dug deep furrows before separating from the wing spars.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 13:55
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Zhukovsky has one of the longest runways in the world, over 17,700 feet I seem to recall. Used to be a Soviet test base, and I suspect the fields beyond may have been envisaged as an overrun.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 14:18
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Nothing to add except hats off to that crew, and further proof that the A321 is built like a damn tank

Enjoy that vodka lads, you earned it
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 14:30
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Originally Posted by LEM
Apparently no BRACE FOR IMPACT warning by the crew?
Judging on the video, they were busy aviating.

From the cabin crew side, an injured donk isn't immediately reason for initiating unprepared emergency landing procedure. They may have not even realised it was coming to a forced landing until too late- I've not operates on A320 of that type, only A380, but if it's anything like B737 visibility when seated is fairly limited unless you crane your neck out if semi brace position.

Crew were likely going on the cues available to them- no announcement from FD, odd engine noise with stable but descending flight- would not be surprised if it was perceived as return to field situation by cabin crew.

They likely just didn't realise until right at touchdown how literally a "field" it was

Well done to all, amazing to see a pretty intact aircraft.

Anyone else see the corn and get shades of UAL232? Better outcome this time fortunately
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:01
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Bloody well done.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:13
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49355236

Some images from a drone.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:20
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Warning the cabin crew about the imminent crash IS INDEED A PRIORITY.
You can forget all the rest, the checklist, the gear, the flaps, but SHOUTING loudly in the PA, yes SHOUTING Brace for impact, is a must, and easy to remember and to do.

I think flying the airplane in such circumstance is by far the easiest thing to do, quite easy in fact.

Applying the correct procedure is the real challenge, in every situation.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:39
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Originally Posted by LEM
Warning the cabin crew about the imminent crash IS INDEED A PRIORITY.
You can forget all the rest, the checklist, the gear, the flaps, but SHOUTING loudly in the PA, yes SHOUTING Brace for impact, is a must, and easy to remember and to do.

I think flying the airplane in such circumstance is by far the easiest thing to do, quite easy in fact.

Applying the correct procedure is the real challenge, in every situation.
thank you so much for your critique into this potentially catastrophic event. Im glad you could grace us with your expertise and explain how you would do it differently.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:48
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Originally Posted by givemewings
Anyone else see the corn and get shades of UAL232? Better outcome this time fortunately
If you're going to come down in a field with the gear still up, a crop of nicely frangible maize is probably as good as it gets.

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Old 15th Aug 2019, 16:21
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For the most part, landing on agricultural land is more akin to a water landing than a ground landing. Rough furrows and ditches, soft surface to grab the gear (how many planes get their gear stuck in soft ground 1 meter off a taxiway?!), etc. Stick one gear in the mud before the other, and you're going for an amusement-park ride.

Operating the gear adds drag - what does that do to your ROD and ability to hold that touch of extra speed for a flare (which may do more to soften the impact than the gear themselves)?

Personally, I think this crew just reverted to basic flight training - Session #2. In case of low-altitude power loss: 1) keep your airspeed safe. 2) land straight ahead. Good for them and good for everyone else.

If you have 10000 meters, or 1000 meters, instead of < 250 meters - then you have time to consider other options and dig out the SOPs.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 16:23
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I am surprised to hear that only some 50 pax decided to cancel the trip. The rest 170+ are ready to take another flight tomorrow or the day after. Those civvies are not so ease to scare :-)
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 16:36
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Looking at a number of aerial photos, I would say that the evidence of just how quickly it all happened is that there was no attempt to bank even slighly so as to line up with a single field rather than across 2 fields which included a ditch. I'd say it was just a case of straight in and hope for the best.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 16:40
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Originally Posted by A_Van
I am surprised to hear that only some 50 pax decided to cancel the trip. The rest 170+ are ready to take another flight tomorrow or the day after. Those civvies are not so ease to scare :-)
Many moons ago an AUSTRIAN FOKKER crahed on a field close to at EDDM, both engines out due to icing
Pax o/b 27. They went on to an airport bus and about 20 or so took their connecting flights....

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Old 15th Aug 2019, 16:41
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A friend, pilot flying A-321 for the time being, told me he remembers the list in case of no power on both engines, GEAR DOWN by GRAVITY is preceptive if you're ABOVE 1000 FT.
He added that he thinks there were no "real time" to make anything else but aviate.

Now from my own: surely PIC knew what had down and ahead (an open field) and made thinks smooth enough to come to this happy end.
I'm pretty sure he couldn't SEE ahead and only tried to make the "landing" the best the possible. And did it!!!

Airbuses are really strong beasts

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Old 15th Aug 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by 4runner


thank you so much for your critique into this potentially catastrophic event. Im glad you could grace us with your expertise and explain how you would do it differently.
As I said, the call Brace for impact is a must.
And... try to apply the procedure.
Flaps 2, gear DOWN.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 18:22
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Originally Posted by LEM
You can forget all the rest, the checklist, the gear, the flaps
Originally Posted by LEM
And... try to apply the procedure.
Flaps 2, gear DOWN.
Which is it, then ?
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 19:03
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Thumbs up

The guys lost both engines. He managed to put it down in a field, and everyone walked away. THe pilots need a big slap on the back and a large bottle of something strong.

The rest is just window dressing.


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