Extinction Rebellion are threatening to shut down Heathrow Airport with drones
Perfect! That’s good information, ( minus the snippy comments at the end which add emotion and detract from the discussion), thank you very much, you’ve help me take one more step towards a position on this complex topic.
Couldn't you have done that research for yourself? It only took me a few seconds to google "2015 NASA antarctic study" and find the study and the author's analysis of the data. And relatively easy to filter out the denier's comments and find the actual scientific review of the study.
It's easy to go onto one of the denial sites and endlessly regurgitate their taking points ad nauseum without any critical thought, as so many have done on this forum. For those who are genuinely wanting to see how flimsy the arguments against the science are please look at this website, Skeptical Science. Hundred's of anti-science arguments clearly debunked.
After reading through a lot of scientific analysis and research lately I'm now convinced that anyone who claims they have researched the issue and still thinks that climate change is a hoax is on the same level as moon landing skeptics, chemtrailers and anti-vaxxers. However I'm convinced that despite all the scientific research I try to bring into this conversation there are those who will just point blank refuse to acknowledge the truth, be it for reasons of money, politics or pride.
An enhanced greenhouse effect from CO2 has been confirmed by multiple lines of empirical evidence
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Why wouldn’t I be surprised to find that the whole rabble are funded by PRC and their fellow travellers. The Chinese have always thought long term and in many strands, why not try to undermine British industry or at least hamstring it, by tying our hands in environmental standards they have absolutely no intention whatsoever of implementing themselves.
Considered post not a rant!
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iiWell, free country and all that, Out. To paraphrase Will Rogers, I just know what I read in the scientific journals.
https://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2019/...wYKb7f2ULuqVow
I think dr dre makes a good point about "people who are older and don't think they'll be affected by any real catastrophic effects of climate change when they occur." I'm 64 and have a lifetime of peace and stability behind my lucky self. Even if the chickens come home to roost tomorrow, well, I've had my life. If I were 20 I can imagine feeling pretty bitter and subversive toward Business as Usual.
In response to 73quanda -- especially given his mention of NASA -- and his plea for up-to-date sources -- here's a link from something NASA has put up that I copied, like, 30 seconds ago: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Obviously you can't hope for all scientific data to agree all the time. That's what makes science so much FUN and why its wheels turn so slowly.
I live in the Alps. When I first moved to these parts almost 40 years ago, you could go to Mont Blanc and take a cog railway up to the enormous final stage of the glacier. There's a hotel up there built in 1880 (mark that year). From there it was a short jaunt down to the ice.
NOW you go up to the same place. They have put in a freaking cable-car since the ice-level has fallen so far. But then it kept on falling, so there's an endless succession of steel steps down to what's left of the glacier. Then you have to climb back up (only the fittest survive).
All that in 40 years. And they have painted every last one of those years on the bare rock just to drive the point home.
Do I need a PhD to notice this?
Let's all remember that climate is by definition a stable Trend, and can't be upset by inherently chaotic weather events, such as a bad winter.
As for Thread Drift, if global heating weren't the biggest challenge going, probably only a small minority (with whom I might sympathize) would oppose a third runway.
But it is. So you can't separate the two issues.
https://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2019/...wYKb7f2ULuqVow
I think dr dre makes a good point about "people who are older and don't think they'll be affected by any real catastrophic effects of climate change when they occur." I'm 64 and have a lifetime of peace and stability behind my lucky self. Even if the chickens come home to roost tomorrow, well, I've had my life. If I were 20 I can imagine feeling pretty bitter and subversive toward Business as Usual.
In response to 73quanda -- especially given his mention of NASA -- and his plea for up-to-date sources -- here's a link from something NASA has put up that I copied, like, 30 seconds ago: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Obviously you can't hope for all scientific data to agree all the time. That's what makes science so much FUN and why its wheels turn so slowly.
I live in the Alps. When I first moved to these parts almost 40 years ago, you could go to Mont Blanc and take a cog railway up to the enormous final stage of the glacier. There's a hotel up there built in 1880 (mark that year). From there it was a short jaunt down to the ice.
NOW you go up to the same place. They have put in a freaking cable-car since the ice-level has fallen so far. But then it kept on falling, so there's an endless succession of steel steps down to what's left of the glacier. Then you have to climb back up (only the fittest survive).
All that in 40 years. And they have painted every last one of those years on the bare rock just to drive the point home.
Do I need a PhD to notice this?
Let's all remember that climate is by definition a stable Trend, and can't be upset by inherently chaotic weather events, such as a bad winter.
As for Thread Drift, if global heating weren't the biggest challenge going, probably only a small minority (with whom I might sympathize) would oppose a third runway.
But it is. So you can't separate the two issues.
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I certainly don't condone the actions of this group but I think it is a mistake to build a third runway at Heathrow. I think a new airport in the Thames Estuary would be a better option given air pollution levels in London.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ollution-death
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ollution-death
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The south circular is the inner orbital major traffic route established for many more years than this poor little girl had lived. She lived 25metres from it. A barrister would argue that any responsible parent whose child suffered from a respiratory disease was negligent in remaining so close to a major traffic artery, hard to disagree
In the same circumstances I doubt there is a city in the world that complies with the pollution limits placed upon it
I certainly don't condone the actions of this group but I think it is a mistake to build a third runway at Heathrow. I think a new airport in the Thames Estuary would be a better option given air pollution levels in London.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ollution-death
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ollution-death
In the same circumstances I doubt there is a city in the world that complies with the pollution limits placed upon it
Follow the (climate deniers') money (just under a billion dollars each year):
a combination of both industry and conservative philanthropies that are funding this process, and what they did was they borrowed a great deal of the strategy and tactics that came out of the tobacco industry’s efforts to prevent action on the health impacts of smoking.
What you see is the tactics that this movement uses were developed and tested in the tobacco industry first, and now they’re being applied to the climate change movement, and in fact, some of the same people and some of the same organizations that were involved in the tobacco issue are also involved in climate change.
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...2MDCT1zss9S.99
What you see is the tactics that this movement uses were developed and tested in the tobacco industry first, and now they’re being applied to the climate change movement, and in fact, some of the same people and some of the same organizations that were involved in the tobacco issue are also involved in climate change.
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...2MDCT1zss9S.99
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Apparently the co2 emissions from the gas used to sedate the patent in a 8 hour operation is the equivalent of driving 4206 miles
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...on-and-pounds/
will the extinction protesters start blockading hospitals ????
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...on-and-pounds/
will the extinction protesters start blockading hospitals ????
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You can block most of the IR light emitted by a person using a narrow stream of 100% pure C02. Video demo here..
https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/res.../#.XP_ZK-RwZoI
So what concentration of CO2 is needed in a 16km thick layer of air?
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As I understand it CO2 is such a good absorber of IR that (even at pre industrialisation levels of C02) it only takes about 25 meters of the atmosphere to scatter most of the IR radiated by the earth (http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=1169 ). This means energy is only radiated into space from high up in the atmosphere, where the air and CO2 is thin enough.
Its been suggested that adding CO2 raises the effective height from which IR energy is radiated. Unfortunately the higher you go the colder it gets and IR radiation is proportional to the fourth power of temperature (T^4).
If less energy is radiated into space the temperature of the planet must increase until the energy lost from the earth once again matches that arriving from the sun.
Its been suggested that adding CO2 raises the effective height from which IR energy is radiated. Unfortunately the higher you go the colder it gets and IR radiation is proportional to the fourth power of temperature (T^4).
If less energy is radiated into space the temperature of the planet must increase until the energy lost from the earth once again matches that arriving from the sun.
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Apparently the co2 emissions from the gas used to sedate the patent in a 8 hour operation is the equivalent of driving 4206 miles
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...on-and-pounds/
will the extinction protesters start blockading hospitals ????
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...on-and-pounds/
will the extinction protesters start blockading hospitals ????
Historically they, and the wider NHS, have used Desflurane, an agent 60 times more polluting per hour of anaesthesia then a similar gas, Sevoflurane.
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Both gases are usable as anesthesia, but have some vastly different applications and results.
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