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Challenger 600 series down in Mexico

Old 11th May 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by rak64
I used it for a good purpose because these ladies were selected because they are female, despite her questionable qualification. Another captain, as well female, left the job because of working conditions...
Hope you understand.
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He said the so-called captain-lady did the wrong reaction of the crew for airspeed disagree. Fighting the symptoms, erased overspeed warnings by reducing the power, which leads to a stall. That turned out not as a clever move.
It was her first job as captain after a role as Copilot with TK. The Lady-Copilot was continuing after a couple of years as a university teacher. The owner was proud to have a 100% female crew for his daughter but now he lost them all.
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Why were the captains qualifications questionable? She had almost 5000hrs, 1600 on type and passed her check rides at CAE in the Netherlands, that all sounds reasonably qualified (and yes, she undeniably messed up big time on the last flight). I would not be surprised if they were selected based on gender, but that alone does not make them unqualified. Having to defend a female pilot is hard when the accident is clearly a result of her errors, but I have yet to see a study that shows female pilots are more accident prone then their male counterparts. Using terms like lady-pilots is not helpful in anyway, so no, I don't understand.
And correct me if I am wrong, but your ending of your first post suggests to me you might not be totally okay with equal rights.
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Old 11th May 2019, 15:40
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Originally Posted by armchairpilot94116
I am interested in how both engines flamed out and if that was recognized and any actions taken to restart them. Seems not. On the Turkish flight.
I think the engines flamed out because of high AOA
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Old 11th May 2019, 16:29
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Originally Posted by hans brinker
And correct me if I am wrong, but your ending of your first post suggests to me you might not be totally okay with equal rights.
IF someone is employed because of his/her gender, then one could hardly call this equal rights. Even if the leftwingers and/or feminists say so, its not.
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Old 11th May 2019, 19:18
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Originally Posted by His dudeness
IF someone is employed because of his/her gender, then one could hardly call this equal rights. Even if the leftwingers and/or feminists say so, its not.
You are absolutely right, and the whole preferential hiring thing is a can of worms that is hard to solve. As a left-winger/ feminist myself I have no problem with hiring QUALIFIED "minorities" to rectify the obvious discrimination they have endured in the past, but I can see it offends the sensibilities of the WASP (White Anglo Saxon Pilots) population to the point they get their panties in a twist.

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Old 11th May 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by hans brinker
You are absolutely right, and the whole preferential hiring thing is a can of worms that is hard to solve. As a left-winger/ feminist myself I have no problem with hiring QUALIFIED "minorities" to rectify the obvious discrimination they have endured in the past, but I can see it offends the sensibilities of the WASP (White Anglo Saxon Pilots) population to the point they get their panties in a twist.

https://www.newsweek.com/pilot-ignor...-1421996?amp=1

So your example for WASP pilots having twisted panties is:

A senior Air India Express pilot ignored the recommendations of his junior female co-pilot while landing in bad weather
who had "history" and clearly some other issues than being a WASP:

In 2016, the senior pilot in question was found to be alcohol-positive twice and had his flight license suspended for three months.
Particularly 'nice' is :

As a left-winger/ feminist myself I have no problem with hiring QUALIFIED "minorities" to rectify the obvious discrimination they have endured in the past
So if Im, say, 22, male and just had my license finished and I compete with a 22 year old female with an equally fresh license and she gets hired because OTHER males in the PAST have treated OTHER females bad / wrongly (exchange female with any minority if you wish) then you are fine with that ?

Are you one of these individuals who think racism and prejudice is only possible to origin from white persons, particularly white men ?
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Originally Posted by His dudeness
So your example for WASP pilots having twisted panties is:



who had "history" and clearly some other issues than being a WASP:



Particularly 'nice' is :



So if Im, say, <A> 22, male and just had my license finished and I compete with a 22 year old female with an equally fresh license and she gets hired because OTHER males in the PAST have treated OTHER females bad / wrongly (exchange female with any minority if you wish) then you are fine with that ?

<B>Are you one of these individuals who think racism and prejudice is only possible to origin from white persons, particularly white men ?
<A> Yes, I have no problem provided equally qualified.

<B> Nope, as a white guy who has lived and experienced discrimination by non-white in both Asia and Africa I can confirm most people are capable of racism. The issue at hand is however the historical discrimination against non-white-male-pilots.
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[QUOTE=hans brinker;10469140]You are absolutely right, and the whole preferential hiring thing is a can of worms that is hard to solve. As a left-winger/ feminist myself I have no problem with hiring QUALIFIED "minorities" to rectify the obvious discrimination they have endured in the past, but I can see it offends the sensibilities of the WASP (White Anglo Saxon Pilots) population to the point they get their panties in a twist[QUOTE]
Kind of ironic what happened.

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Old 12th May 2019, 07:57
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<A> Yes, I have no problem provided equally qualified.
May I suggest that you google "Sippenhaft" and why normal, somewhat healthy societies have abandoned it ?
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Originally Posted by evansb
I believe fight beyond the service ceiling of the aircraft due to the captain's storm avoidance may have contributed to this tragic crash.

The gender of the captain and flight crew is irrelevant.
Plus 1. Some of us (including me) were sort of off topic. Apologies.

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Old 12th May 2019, 15:33
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Equality will come when we start remarking on the gender of every male crew that turn their aircraft into a hole in the ground/water. There have been a lot more of them.

AF447 - "The FO-gentleman held the stick in a stall for 30000 feet....."

JT904 - "The testosterone-laced male crew continued the approach even after losing visual contact with the runway, and ended up in the ocean....."
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Is this story related to this crash?

Borderland Beat: Pilot of plane that crashed in Coahuila, involved in money laundering and transfer of drugs
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Old 13th May 2019, 01:42
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Originally Posted by His dudeness
Plus 1. Some of us (including me) were sort of off topic. Apologies.
Add me, apologies
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