Challenger 600 series down in Mexico
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Challenger 600 series down in Mexico
Our Nine news, via CNN, is reporting a Challenger private jet with 13 aboard down in Mexico. I do not know how to post a link, so if someone can help out.
Aircraft looks like it was burnt out on the ground rather than an impact event. No visible debris trail, tracks, or crater.
Fate of passengers and crew unknown at this time.
Aircraft looks like it was burnt out on the ground rather than an impact event. No visible debris trail, tracks, or crater.
Fate of passengers and crew unknown at this time.
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Looks like it pancaked. According to Flight Aware they were passing around some weather at FL410 and the data ends at this altitude. Lightning strike followed but an AF447 scenario?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombar...ger_600_series
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around?
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around?
Thirty-year-old CL-600-2B16 (i.e. Challenger 601-3A) operated by Gama Aviation, returning to its Monterrey base with a boxing charter group after the Alvarez/Jacobs fight in Las Vegas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombar...ger_600_series
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around?
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around?
No consistent cause - everything from failure to de-ice to W&B error to upset by an A380 wake to bounced landing to test flights.
It does use a supercritical wing, which has - unusual - stall characteristics, and may be a factor in this particular accident. Might (emphasize might) have been a contributing factor in the Dick Ebersol failure-to-de-ice accident in Colorado.
It's also the basis for the CRJ 100-200 designs, and again, accident causes with those seem to be all over the map, not due to any particular problem.
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See: https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0
The preliminary accident report is here:
https://www.cao.ir/web/english/inves...FmY1hnPT0=.pdf
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The cause of the 2018 crash of TC-TRB in Iran is known. They had unreliable airspeed and the captain thought they were overspeeding and pulled the power back into a stall.
See: https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0
The preliminary accident report is here:
https://www.cao.ir/web/english/inves...FmY1hnPT0=.pdf
See: https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0
The preliminary accident report is here:
https://www.cao.ir/web/english/inves...FmY1hnPT0=.pdf
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He said the so-called captain-lady did the wrong reaction of the crew for airspeed disagree. Fighting the symptoms, erased overspeed warnings by reducing the power, which leads to a stall. That turned out not as a clever move.
It was her first job as captain after a role as Copilot with TK. The Lady-Copilot was continuing after a couple of years as a university teacher. The owner was proud to have a 100% female crew for his daughter but now he lost them all.
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He said the so-called captain-lady did the wrong reaction of the crew for airspeed disagree. Fighting the symptoms, erased overspeed warnings by reducing the power, which leads to a stall. That turned out not as a clever move.
It was her first job as captain after a role as Copilot with TK. The Lady-Copilot was continuing after a couple of years as a university teacher. The owner was proud to have a 100% female crew for his daughter but now he lost them all.
Insalah
It was her first job as captain after a role as Copilot with TK. The Lady-Copilot was continuing after a couple of years as a university teacher. The owner was proud to have a 100% female crew for his daughter but now he lost them all.
Insalah
Yes, the female captain did a horrible job, the female co-pilot did her best to correct, but should have taken control.
Can we please avoid the “lady-pilot”? If the gender is relevant, as it could be here, as apparently the father specifically wanted women to fly his daughter, a better way would be “female pilot”. Nobody would think of using “gentlemen-pilot” for a male pilot.
Yes, the female captain did a horrible job, the female co-pilot did her best to correct, but should have taken control.
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I am interested in how both engines flamed out and if that was recognized and any actions taken to restart them. Seems not. On the Turkish flight.
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Can we please avoid the “lady-pilot”? If the gender is relevant, as it could be here, as apparently the father specifically wanted women to fly his daughter, a better way would be “female pilot”. Nobody would think of using “gentlemen-pilot” for a male pilot.
Yes, the female captain did a horrible job, the female co-pilot did her best to correct, but should have taken control.
I used it for a good purpose because these ladies were selected because they are female, despite her questionable qualification. Another captain, as well female, left the job because of working conditions...
Hope you understand.
