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Challenger 600 series down in Mexico
Our Nine news, via CNN, is reporting a Challenger private jet with 13 aboard down in Mexico. I do not know how to post a link, so if someone can help out.
Aircraft looks like it was burnt out on the ground rather than an impact event. No visible debris trail, tracks, or crater. Fate of passengers and crew unknown at this time. |
just noticed - already reported in Biz jets forum.
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Originally Posted by seafury45
(Post 10465078)
Fate of passengers and crew unknown at this time.
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CL-601 N601VH en route LAS-MTY.
RIP all on board her. |
Looks like it pancaked. According to Flight Aware they were passing around some weather at FL410 and the data ends at this altitude. Lightning strike followed but an AF447 scenario?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombar...ger_600_series
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around? |
Thirty-year-old CL-600-2B16 (i.e. Challenger 601-3A) operated by Gama Aviation, returning to its Monterrey base with a boxing charter group after the Alvarez/Jacobs fight in Las Vegas.
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Originally Posted by Raffles S.A.
(Post 10465098)
Looks like it pancaked. According to Flight Aware they were passing around some weather at FL410 and the data ends at this altitude. Lightning strike followed but an AF447 scenario?
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The Biz Jets forum discussion on this loss is here.
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Originally Posted by armchairpilot94116
(Post 10465101)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombar...ger_600_series
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around? No consistent cause - everything from failure to de-ice to W&B error to upset by an A380 wake to bounced landing to test flights. It does use a supercritical wing, which has - unusual - stall characteristics, and may be a factor in this particular accident. Might (emphasize might) have been a contributing factor in the Dick Ebersol failure-to-de-ice accident in Colorado. It's also the basis for the CRJ 100-200 designs, and again, accident causes with those seem to be all over the map, not due to any particular problem. |
Originally Posted by Raffles S.A.
(Post 10465098)
Looks like it pancaked. According to Flight Aware they were passing around some weather at FL410 and the data ends at this altitude. Lightning strike followed but an AF447 scenario?
Does lightning go up towards clear air or down towards the ground or another cloud? |
It can do any of the above. |
Disconcerting this one and the Turkish owned jet both went down very fast during cruise We don’t know the cause of each case yet do we ? |
Originally Posted by armchairpilot94116
(Post 10466769)
Disconcerting this one and the Turkish owned jet both went down very fast during cruise We don’t know the cause of each case yet do we ? See: https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0 The preliminary accident report is here: https://www.cao.ir/web/english/inves...FmY1hnPT0=.pdf |
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10466786)
The cause of the 2018 crash of TC-TRB in Iran is known. They had unreliable airspeed and the captain thought they were overspeeding and pulled the power back into a stall.
See: https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0 The preliminary accident report is here: https://www.cao.ir/web/english/inves...FmY1hnPT0=.pdf |
Originally Posted by armchairpilot94116
(Post 10467300)
thanks for that. Interesting the captains dna was not found but everyone else’s was. Flameout due to weather and engines at low power perhaps? He said the so-called captain-lady did the wrong reaction of the crew for airspeed disagree. Fighting the symptoms, erased overspeed warnings by reducing the power, which leads to a stall. That turned out not as a clever move. It was her first job as captain after a role as Copilot with TK. The Lady-Copilot was continuing after a couple of years as a university teacher. The owner was proud to have a 100% female crew for his daughter but now he lost them all. Insalah |
Originally Posted by rak64
(Post 10467631)
He said the so-called captain-lady did the wrong reaction of the crew for airspeed disagree. Fighting the symptoms, erased overspeed warnings by reducing the power, which leads to a stall. That turned out not as a clever move.
It was her first job as captain after a role as Copilot with TK. The Lady-Copilot was continuing after a couple of years as a university teacher. The owner was proud to have a 100% female crew for his daughter but now he lost them all. Insalah Yes, the female captain did a horrible job, the female co-pilot did her best to correct, but should have taken control. |
Originally Posted by hans brinker
(Post 10468258)
Can we please avoid the “lady-pilot”? If the gender is relevant, as it could be here, as apparently the father specifically wanted women to fly his daughter, a better way would be “female pilot”. Nobody would think of using “gentlemen-pilot” for a male pilot. Yes, the female captain did a horrible job, the female co-pilot did her best to correct, but should have taken control. |
I am interested in how both engines flamed out and if that was recognized and any actions taken to restart them. Seems not. On the Turkish flight. |
Originally Posted by hans brinker
(Post 10468258)
Can we please avoid the “lady-pilot”? If the gender is relevant, as it could be here, as apparently the father specifically wanted women to fly his daughter, a better way would be “female pilot”. Nobody would think of using “gentlemen-pilot” for a male pilot. Yes, the female captain did a horrible job, the female co-pilot did her best to correct, but should have taken control. I used it for a good purpose because these ladies were selected because they are female, despite her questionable qualification. Another captain, as well female, left the job because of working conditions... Hope you understand. |
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