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Atlas Air 767 down/Texas

Old 3rd Apr 2019, 21:53
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Originally Posted by jugofpropwash View Post
Seems unlikely. I would think that if it was a personnel problem, then Boeing would welcome the distraction from their issues.
IF the issue is a personnel problem. What if it was/is another flight control issue.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 22:44
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I'd say a systemic flight control issue seems extremely unlikely on the 767 after so many hours of service
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 23:15
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Further, if the NTSB suspected an aircraft problem, they almost certainly would have said something publicly about it by now, Keeping quiet could put other aircraft at risk which is completely contrary to the NTSB's purpose.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 02:12
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Originally Posted by formulaben View Post
Is it racist if it is true? Do you not see the irony in your statement that diversity hire policies have left many good hires on the outside looking in, e.g. on the street? If there were no hires based on diversity but simply on flight experience and competency, then it would not be an issue. You can blame racism all you want, but the facts are the facts.
Diversity hires are causing aviation to be less safe... as aviation continues to become more and more safe through out the world. Your logic is flawless.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 03:11
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Further, if the NTSB suspected an aircraft problem, they almost certainly would have said something publicly about it by now, Keeping quiet could put other aircraft at risk which is completely contrary to the NTSB's purpose.
I agree with your comment. However, the NTSB is usually pretty good about having something out in a 30 day time period.

Since this thread has run the gamut from pilot input issues to structural failure, I just thought I would pose the question.

Thanks for your post.

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 14:13
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The F/O previously worked for TWA. As I understand it he left there in 1990.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:06
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Originally Posted by fox niner View Post
You guys apparently know something about the ethnic background of the FO...why is it relevant? Where do you guys get this info? Is the HR dept applying affirmative action? Why doesn’t the ntsb publish something 35+ days after the accident? Is the fbi involved? Is that the reason?

I personally could not care less about the ethnicity or gender of the guy/gal I am flying with, but if there is anything to it that the FO was a diversity hire despite having a questionable record of flying skills known to HR, it could explain the NTSB being so tight-lipped.
If the NTSB doesn‘t get facts and communication perfectly right, they will have the PC media tearing them apart.
This is a minefield these days ...
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:17
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Originally Posted by aterpster View Post
The F/O previously worked for TWA. As I understand it he left there in 1990.

when he was 17 yrs old?
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:21
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If the FO was incompetent, then is it possible that he was hired not to meet a racial quota, but because US carriers at the moment are in a desperate shortage.

From what I understand regional airlines are taking pilots with 1500hrs and a pulse or otherwise are parking aircraft. Is Atlas in the same situation? I'm not sure but they don't strike me as being the most highly regarded carrier, and they are in a state of large expansion with the Amazon deal.

If they were at the point of an applicant shortage then I don't think they would care what race or gender a pilot was. Maybe they got to the stage where they would take any pilot who met the legal minimums, regardless of competence?
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:39
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
If the FO was incompetent, then is it possible that he was hired not to meet a racial quota, but because US carriers at the moment are in a desperate shortage.

From what I understand regional airlines are taking pilots with 1500hrs and a pulse or otherwise are parking aircraft. Is Atlas in the same situation? I'm not sure but they don't strike me as being the most highly regarded carrier, and they are in a state of large expansion with the Amazon deal.

If they were at the point of an applicant shortage then I don't think they would care what race or gender a pilot was. Maybe they got to the stage where they would take any pilot who met the legal minimums, regardless of competence?
While the industry may face a shortage of pilots, there is still a difference between just being inexperienced and having repeatedly demonstrated incompetence.
I know quite some low timers who are excellent airmen/women.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
when he was 17 yrs old?
Then, I must have been given bad information. Do you know his age on the date of the accident?

EDIT: The person who had been let go by TWA was the captain of UPS 1354. Sorry for the confusion.

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Old 5th Apr 2019, 18:26
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The FO was reportedly 45, as I previously posted (but my post was silently censored for reasons that are not clear to me)
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 15:24
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where is report for atlas 767?

what has happened to this report ?
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 15:50
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Apparently, something happended that is beyond anyone’s imagination. Right now, the ntsb does not consider the events as having any safety concern. Read about it in this thread.
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 22:30
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Because it’s cargo?
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 22:39
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They’ve got the FDR and CVR so what’s the delay on more info ?
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 23:16
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I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 23:24
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I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.
That's what I think too
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Intruder View Post
I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.
Doubtful it's a lobbyist. More likely it concerns personal items related to the crew which are covered by Federal law (like CVR recordings) and require certain approvals prior to release.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 03:30
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Originally Posted by Intruder View Post
I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.
my source dried up, refuses to talk about it...NOT an airplane issue is all thats being said

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