Indonesian aircraft missing off Jakarta
TAS and heading, too, among others.
Just getting back to the post concerning flying with Pitot Covers still attached. Is there a 'Jobsworth Culture' that prevents the tug operator from letting the flight crew know that the Covers are still attached..? These things would be dangling right in front of the Tug Driver's face.. I suppose there is too much of a seniority difference, for any useful safety conversation.
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Just getting back to the post concerning flying with Pitot Covers still attached. Is there a 'Jobsworth Culture' that prevents the tug operator from letting the flight crew know that the Covers are still attached..? These things would be dangling right in front of the Tug Driver's face.. I suppose there is too much of a seniority difference, for any useful safety conversation.
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The Maintenance Release shows the time 12:40 UTC. The aircraft landed at 15:55 UTC (22:55 local time). Maybe the airworthy release was signed at 00:40 local time on 29th, but still only 1h45min to fix two malfunctions.
As cynical as I am, I am reluctant to believe that a tug operator in Brisbane would notice the pitot covers and choose not to say anything. People can fail to notice some pretty astonishing things. The "Gorilla in the Basketball game" video, for instance. I'm inclined to believe that the tug operator didn't notice them, despite them being right in front of his face. Perhaps I'm just being naive.
The pitot probe covers were fitted on the aircraft’s three pitot probes by one of the engineering support personnel, as it was his understanding this was normal practice. He later reported that he advised the operator’s maintenance engineer that pitot probe covers were fitted during a brief exchange discussing turnaround tasks, but that the maintenance engineer did not directly respond. The maintenance engineer later reported that he did not recall hearing the advice, and he did not make an entry in the aircraft’s technical log to record that the covers had been fitted.
The presence of the pitot covers was not detected by the operator’s maintenance engineer or captain during separate external aircraft inspections. The operator’s maintenance engineer boarded the aircraft during turnaround, and the engineering support personnel left the bay to attend to other aircraft. The pitot covers were not detected by ground handlers during pushback.
The presence of the pitot covers was not detected by the operator’s maintenance engineer or captain during separate external aircraft inspections. The operator’s maintenance engineer boarded the aircraft during turnaround, and the engineering support personnel left the bay to attend to other aircraft. The pitot covers were not detected by ground handlers during pushback.
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Well, yes, I think that regardless of what the tug driver did or didn't do, I think we all would all expect that he wouldn't confess that he saw them and didn't say anything.
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How relevant is the pitotcover anyway. If a missed pitotcover was the cause of UAS on the previous leg, then it sure would be known by now. I doubt that a missed pitotcover was the cause of their problems.
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Probably not very. The chances are pretty slim that a pitot cover is involved in the accident at hand.
Another one to add to the death toll - a diver has died
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12154241
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12154241
Indonesian rescue diver dies while searching for Lion Air jet crash
An Indonesian rescue diver has died in the search for a passenger jet that crashed early this week near Jakarta, killing all 189 people on board, search and rescue agency Basarnas said on Saturday.
Salute!
Gotta go with "SLOW" and "A^2. No pitot/static covers left on. The problem was there even before the flight before.
Pitot/static problem? Yep.
Trim system function with bad air data? Yep, or a strong maybe..
Mechanical failure leading to an extreme dive to impact? Don't know
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News media now claims the main fuselage has been detected, and the "pinger" or tone of one recording device has also been detected.
Gums sends.......
Gotta go with "SLOW" and "A^2. No pitot/static covers left on. The problem was there even before the flight before.
Pitot/static problem? Yep.
Trim system function with bad air data? Yep, or a strong maybe..
Mechanical failure leading to an extreme dive to impact? Don't know
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News media now claims the main fuselage has been detected, and the "pinger" or tone of one recording device has also been detected.
Gums sends.......
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A very interesting presentation from American Airlines back in the 90's called Children of Magenta -(you can search for this on google) described the over dependency on computers when things went wrong very quickly and not reacting by instinct due to lack of flying skills or part thereof. Also, possibly a loss of CRM skills since when under stress, you tend to revert to earlier behaviors without thinking. Could both flightcrew (since they were of different nationalities) loose precious time diagnosing the issue and flying the aircraft out of the situation(assuming the plane was flyable until the crash).
A very interesting presentation from American Airlines back in the 90's called Children of Magenta -(you can search for this on google) described the over dependency on computers when things went wrong very quickly and not reacting by instinct due to lack of flying skills or part thereof.
I may be wrong, but I believe the late Captain Vanderburgh was the first to coin that phrase.