MH17 Investigators Report
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https://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/591269...ivilian-planes
To ensure a level playing field the aerospace border with Russia should be closed as well.
No air traffic could enter European airspace from Russia.
To sit back and do nothing is the result Russia wants.
They get away with murder and we get to talk about it.
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I agree. There's always the Southern Routes while we punish Russia, for as long as that takes.
They're murdering scum, and they've been getting away with it for far far too long.
Russia should be completely isolated, for the time being.
They're murdering scum, and they've been getting away with it for far far too long.
Russia should be completely isolated, for the time being.
So a messy aviation incident during a civil war (fostered incidentally by European and US politicians, if Victoria Nuland is to be believed) is not going to be allowed to derail the relationship.
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Europe depends on Russian gas. Politicians have to take that into account.
So a messy aviation incident during a civil war (fostered incidentally by European and US politicians, if Victoria Nuland is to be believed) is not going to be allowed to derail the relationship.
So a messy aviation incident during a civil war (fostered incidentally by European and US politicians, if Victoria Nuland is to be believed) is not going to be allowed to derail the relationship.
then of course there is..
..SALISBURY.
Goodness knows what it would take for your metric to decide what a major event would be!!!
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The following is not meant to exonerate anyone, and undoubtedly the aircraft was deliberately targeted.
But does anyone really think or assert that the aircraft was deliberately targeted while knowing it to be a non-Ukrainian, non-combatant over-flight?
Or, put more simply, is there anything to support this being anything other than a major f.....k up?
Something along the lines of the USS Vincennes incident.
But does anyone really think or assert that the aircraft was deliberately targeted while knowing it to be a non-Ukrainian, non-combatant over-flight?
Or, put more simply, is there anything to support this being anything other than a major f.....k up?
Something along the lines of the USS Vincennes incident.
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That's what the US tried with Japan in 1940-41 - and look how that turned out.............
Presumably their metric for a 'major event' is different from that of most people.
Drain Bamaged
The US never denied shooting it down. Russia has, and has denied previous shoot downs.
https://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/591269...ivilian-planes
https://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/591269...ivilian-planes
The ‘Forgotten’ US Shootdown of Iranian Airliner Flight 655*
Sorry for the thread drift.
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I believe since Trump's crony, Putin has been in power, Russia has been a greater threat to Western democracies than during all the latter years of the Cold War.
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No-one wants another major war in Europe......... the last one cost tens of millions of lives and that was before we had the A bomb
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Given the sanctions against Russia; given the report about this event in Ukraine; given the Salisbury incident, how the hell did the UEFA final end up in Kiev? Or is this "we don't allow sport to get mixed up in politics." Yeah, right. And the world cup?
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Vested interests, TV money, - you expect PRINCIPLES?????
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The EU is reliant on Russia for 35% of their gas supply. Under that circumstance you dont poke the Bear
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The following is not meant to exonerate anyone, and undoubtedly the aircraft was deliberately targeted.
But does anyone really think or assert that the aircraft was deliberately targeted while knowing it to be a non-Ukrainian, non-combatant over-flight?
Or, put more simply, is there anything to support this being anything other than a major f.....k up?
Something along the lines of the USS Vincennes incident.
But does anyone really think or assert that the aircraft was deliberately targeted while knowing it to be a non-Ukrainian, non-combatant over-flight?
Or, put more simply, is there anything to support this being anything other than a major f.....k up?
Something along the lines of the USS Vincennes incident.
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I did see an article saying that an Aeroflot flight was on a crossing north/south track at the time Mh17 was hit. The theory goes that Putain was try to shoot down that one in order to justify full scale invasion of Ukraine. No proof or course, but plausible with that nutter.
besides if Russi wanted to hit their jet on purpose, they could launch a "low-speed" rocket when aircraft passed state border, to make it reach the target 10-15 minutes later and many miles away.
