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Old 24th May 2018, 10:41
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MH17 Investigators Report

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...24-p4zh92.html

Russian missile shot down MH17, international investigation concludes

Last edited by T28B; 24th May 2018 at 17:39. Reason: corrected to fit the cited headline
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Old 24th May 2018, 11:33
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Hmm, that quote isn't in that article [anymore?].

Mind the one in there isn't much better:
On Thursday Russia restated its position that none of its forces had been involved. "Not a single anti-aircraft missile system from the Russian Federation has ever crossed the Russia-Ukraine border," the defence ministry in Moscow said.
So the serial number is... wrong? made-up? of a missile shot from somewhere else?
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Hmm I'm etting deja vu didnt Russia deny having anything to do with it the last time they shot down a pax airliner? Sakhalin comes to mind...
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Hmm I'm etting deja vu didnt Russia deny having anything to do with it the last time they shot down a pax airliner? Sakhalin comes to mind...
Putin never ever makes a mistake, like Donald doesn't.
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Good Afternoon All:The Dutch Joint Investigative Team have put together a rather comprehensive video on the downing of MH 17 in the Eastern Ukraine.
This was put out today and I am sure it will cause some embarrassment for our “Russian friends”

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Old 24th May 2018, 22:17
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
Putin never ever makes a mistake, like Donald doesn't.
Indeed, as Russia Today and Fox News media propaganda outlets attest to daily.

No Russian missile system ever crossed into Ukraine: MoD rejects Dutch MH17 claims - RT 24 MAY 2018
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Old 25th May 2018, 10:42
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update today: MH17: Russia 'liable' for downing airliner over Ukraine - BBC News
Russia formally accused by Australia & Netherlands
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Old 25th May 2018, 11:12
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Russia formally accused by Australia & Netherlands
the buk missile was recovered from the crash site and this image of its serial number was posted on local news, presumably Russia will have some excuse to disclaim its theirs.

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the buk missile was recovered from the crash site and this image of its serial number was posted on local news, presumably Russia will have some excuse to disclaim its theirs.

That image could be just as fake as the ones shown on Russian media.
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Originally Posted by Cynical Sid View Post
That image could be just as fake as the ones shown on Russian media.
you suggesting the JIT, who have the actual shell, have faked a photo of it, or they didn't actually check the device to determine it is really a Russian missile??

regardless it is only 1 tiny part of the swathe of evidence they have presented, not the least of which is a multitude of dashcam video's of the Russian convoy travelling from its camp in Russia to the site where it was launched in the Ukraine, then travelling back to Russia.

Maybe that Russian buk missile launcher that just happened to move into the right position, then scarpered back to Russia was all just co-incidence eh? And all those drivers dashcam video's were fabricated as well...
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Originally Posted by givemewings View Post
Hmm I'm etting deja vu didnt Russia deny having anything to do with it the last time they shot down a pax airliner? Sakhalin comes to mind...
Don't forget the USS Vincennes shooting down the Iranian Airbus back in 1988.
Even if it was pretty obvious who did it, various lies were told at the time to shift blame.
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Originally Posted by Dee Vee View Post
you suggesting the JIT, who have the actual shell, have faked a photo of it, or they didn't actually check the device to determine it is really a Russian missile??

regardless it is only 1 tiny part of the swathe of evidence they have presented, not the least of which is a multitude of dashcam video's of the Russian convoy travelling from its camp in Russia to the site where it was launched in the Ukraine, then travelling back to Russia.

Maybe that Russian buk missile launcher that just happened to move into the right position, then scarpered back to Russia was all just co-incidence eh? And all those drivers dashcam video's were fabricated as well...
I am sure most reasonable people believe that is exactly what happened. But it does not mean you should not question the evidence. So many lies have been told around this tragedy.
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Originally Posted by akaSylvia View Post
Hmm, that quote isn't in that article [anymore?].

Mind the one in there isn't much better:

So the serial number is... wrong? made-up? of a missile shot from somewhere else?
Depends on who is defining the "Russian Ukraine Border" I guess.......................
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Originally Posted by Cynical Sid View Post
I am sure most reasonable people believe that is exactly what happened. But it does not mean you should not question the evidence. So many lies have been told around this tragedy.
However, there are multiple images showing the serial number, not just one. So we're heading into major conspiracy theory if they were all faked in order to falsely implicate Russian ownership of a Buk in Ukraine.
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The west should apply sanctions against Russian aviation.
Ban all Russian aircraft from Europe.
Until Russia admits to the shootdown of civilian flight MH17.
And pays reparations to the victims.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
Depends on who is defining the "Russian Ukraine Border" I guess.......................
Indeed, compare and contrast:

"More S-400 air defense systems to be deployed in Crimea" https://www.rt.com/news/414011-s400-...oyment-crimea/
and
"No Russian missile system ever crossed into Ukraine" https://www.rt.com/news/427669-mh17-...ukraine-dutch/

The only way for the Russian position to be consistent with itself is if the "Russian Ukraine Border" is the boundary of the area the Ukraine government actually controls, and the investigators are not saying that the missile came from Ukraine-controlled territory.
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We will all know in about 20 years. By then Putin was eaten by the oldest aligator in the world, while fishing, and Russia have Gorbatjov 2.0. Same story with Lockerbie, just a few nuances.

Everybody knows who is to blame. It's just politics and politician don't care about collateral damage. So sad...!
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Originally Posted by icarus sun View Post
The west should apply sanctions against Russian aviation.
Ban all Russian aircraft from Europe.
Until Russia admits to the shootdown of civilian flight MH17.
And pays reparations to the victims.
Very well thought out plan. I'm sure it's fool proof and nothing that Russia could do in return, like say, ban Western airlines from it's airspace causing major issues for basically anything wanting to go to Asia from places like AMS for example.
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Old 26th May 2018, 03:17
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The following is not meant to exonerate anyone, and undoubtedly the aircraft was deliberately targeted.
But does anyone really think or assert that the aircraft was deliberately targeted while knowing it to be a non-Ukrainian, non-combatant over-flight?

Or, put more simply, is there anything to support this being anything other than a major f.....k up?
Something along the lines of the USS Vincennes incident.
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