MH17 Investigators Report
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...24-p4zh92.html Russian missile shot down MH17, international investigation concludes |
In response, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the BBC at the time: "We cannot accept as final truth of what they say. I bet you haven't seen any proof." Diplomacy hypocrysis at its finest.... |
Hmm, that quote isn't in that article [anymore?].
Mind the one in there isn't much better: On Thursday Russia restated its position that none of its forces had been involved. "Not a single anti-aircraft missile system from the Russian Federation has ever crossed the Russia-Ukraine border," the defence ministry in Moscow said. |
Hmm I'm etting deja vu didnt Russia deny having anything to do with it the last time they shot down a pax airliner? Sakhalin comes to mind...
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Originally Posted by givemewings
(Post 10155844)
Hmm I'm etting deja vu didnt Russia deny having anything to do with it the last time they shot down a pax airliner? Sakhalin comes to mind...
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Good Afternoon All:The Dutch Joint Investigative Team have put together a rather comprehensive video on the downing of MH 17 in the Eastern Ukraine.
This was put out today and I am sure it will cause some embarrassment for our “Russian friends” |
Excellent video. A330 PC. :ok:
Originally Posted by gearlever
(Post 10155982)
Putin never ever makes a mistake, like Donald doesn't.
No Russian missile system ever crossed into Ukraine: MoD rejects Dutch MH17 claims - RT 24 MAY 2018 |
update today: MH17: Russia 'liable' for downing airliner over Ukraine - BBC News
Russia formally accused by Australia & Netherlands |
Originally Posted by hoss183
(Post 10156447)
Russia formally accused by Australia & Netherlands
https://i.imgur.com/A1qNrCA.jpg |
Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10156470)
the buk missile was recovered from the crash site and this image of its serial number was posted on local news, presumably Russia will have some excuse to disclaim its theirs.
https://i.imgur.com/A1qNrCA.jpg |
Originally Posted by Cynical Sid
(Post 10156479)
That image could be just as fake as the ones shown on Russian media.
regardless it is only 1 tiny part of the swathe of evidence they have presented, not the least of which is a multitude of dashcam video's of the Russian convoy travelling from its camp in Russia to the site where it was launched in the Ukraine, then travelling back to Russia. Maybe that Russian buk missile launcher that just happened to move into the right position, then scarpered back to Russia was all just co-incidence eh? And all those drivers dashcam video's were fabricated as well... |
Originally Posted by givemewings
(Post 10155844)
Hmm I'm etting deja vu didnt Russia deny having anything to do with it the last time they shot down a pax airliner? Sakhalin comes to mind...
Even if it was pretty obvious who did it, various lies were told at the time to shift blame. |
Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10156485)
you suggesting the JIT, who have the actual shell, have faked a photo of it, or they didn't actually check the device to determine it is really a Russian missile??
regardless it is only 1 tiny part of the swathe of evidence they have presented, not the least of which is a multitude of dashcam video's of the Russian convoy travelling from its camp in Russia to the site where it was launched in the Ukraine, then travelling back to Russia. Maybe that Russian buk missile launcher that just happened to move into the right position, then scarpered back to Russia was all just co-incidence eh? And all those drivers dashcam video's were fabricated as well... |
Originally Posted by akaSylvia
(Post 10155835)
Hmm, that quote isn't in that article [anymore?].
Mind the one in there isn't much better: So the serial number is... wrong? made-up? of a missile shot from somewhere else? |
Originally Posted by Cynical Sid
(Post 10156504)
I am sure most reasonable people believe that is exactly what happened. But it does not mean you should not question the evidence. So many lies have been told around this tragedy.
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The west should apply sanctions against Russian aviation.
Ban all Russian aircraft from Europe. Until Russia admits to the shootdown of civilian flight MH17. And pays reparations to the victims. |
Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 10156564)
Depends on who is defining the "Russian Ukraine Border" I guess.......................
"More S-400 air defense systems to be deployed in Crimea" https://www.rt.com/news/414011-s400-...oyment-crimea/ and "No Russian missile system ever crossed into Ukraine" https://www.rt.com/news/427669-mh17-...ukraine-dutch/ The only way for the Russian position to be consistent with itself is if the "Russian Ukraine Border" is the boundary of the area the Ukraine government actually controls, and the investigators are not saying that the missile came from Ukraine-controlled territory. |
We will all know in about 20 years. By then Putin was eaten by the oldest aligator in the world, while fishing, and Russia have Gorbatjov 2.0. Same story with Lockerbie, just a few nuances.
Everybody knows who is to blame. It's just politics and politician don't care about collateral damage. So sad...! |
Originally Posted by icarus sun
(Post 10156653)
The west should apply sanctions against Russian aviation.
Ban all Russian aircraft from Europe. Until Russia admits to the shootdown of civilian flight MH17. And pays reparations to the victims. |
The following is not meant to exonerate anyone, and undoubtedly the aircraft was deliberately targeted.
But does anyone really think or assert that the aircraft was deliberately targeted while knowing it to be a non-Ukrainian, non-combatant over-flight? Or, put more simply, is there anything to support this being anything other than a major f.....k up? Something along the lines of the USS Vincennes incident. |
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