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Old 21st Mar 2018, 14:23
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Question Fatigue

I follow the airline industry. Am a bit concerned about what I'm hearing about pilot fatigue & cumulative sleep debt. EASA rules being regarded by airlines as a benchmark, rather than a threshold. Rules not accounting for reality. Airlines not passing on this info to CAA unless its filed as a MOR. Does this sound about right? Any insight welcome. Thanks!
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 15:04
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Are you a journalist Victoria?
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 15:24
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Are you a journalist Victoria?
There seems to be a journalist with a similar name:

Victoria Trench
Broadcast journalist at British Broadcasting Corporation
London, United Kingdom Media Production

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/victoria-trench-9738254
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 15:51
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Perhaps a sabbatical from a cushty little number at the Beeb for a year working Club 18-30 Saturday night HER's would get her all the insight required. We could do with some Cambridge grads to educate some of our livelier pax. ;-)
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 16:19
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Balpa and the European cockpit association will give you lots of information.
Also try Doctor Simon Bennett of Leicester Uni.
https://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/bu.../simon-bennett
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 22:27
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Victoria Dear

No fatigue here , we mostly sleep during cruise!
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 22:47
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My cousin, then a first officer for a major Canadian airline, told me used to catch up on his sleep when he flew from Toronto to Lisbon
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 22:59
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Victoria if you give me lots and lots of the licence payers money I will come on the BBC, if that's who you work for, and be an 'aviation expert' for you. It would be less fatiguing than flying for a living
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 23:09
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Welcome to the aviation community Victoria!
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 00:38
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As you can see Victoria, we pilots are (generally speaking) a cynical group of professionals who will passionately protect the image and reputation of the industry when discussing certain issues (dirty laundry) with perceived 'outsiders'.

I'm happy to communicate with you about the matter, but not in an open forum.

If you are the person that some here suggest you are, are you willing to post your email address? Or send it to me via PM.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 02:23
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Any insight welcome. Thanks!

Your welcome.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 06:58
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No problem really. My airline, a major in HKG historically (although probably not for much longer) with a great safety record, has a safety department which now advocates you should autoland to reduce fatigue risk as a result of management reducing crew composition on longhaul flights.

They can’t put enough Pilots up front, so “No worries, George will take care of the ol’ Gal for ya mate!”.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 08:35
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Be very careful what you say on here, guys. "IF" this person is a journalist, she can go about this in other ways.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 08:42
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Exactly.

A "journo alert" was raised by posts 2&3, yet everyone immediately goes into verbal diarrhoea mode!
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 08:46
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Pilot fatigue...a victory, of sorts
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 11:30
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Now that You professional guys do have the opportunity to talk bout fatigue which -obvioulsy- is a problem in todays aviation (which most of the passengers being not aware of), the only thing You do is cry out in panic "journo alert" ... ... .
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 11:43
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Yeeees, what with journalists having such a stellar record in telling the truth and never ever distorting the facts to sex up the story of course. No, that never happens.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 12:38
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PPRuNe at its worst.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 13:03
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if Vic Trench is Vic Trench the journo, she's had the decency to use her real name on this forum.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 09:41
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Originally Posted by victoria_trench View Post
I follow the airline industry. Am a bit concerned about what I'm hearing about pilot fatigue & cumulative sleep debt. EASA rules being regarded by airlines as a benchmark, rather than a threshold. Rules not accounting for reality. Airlines not passing on this info to CAA unless its filed as a MOR. Does this sound about right? Any insight welcome. Thanks!
When you see two pilots suspended for taking videos and dancing in a cockpit during cruise, do you think we should call it "Fatigue " ? Because of them pilots lost credibility....
thanks they are suspended now.
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