Alaska Airlines FO Alleges Rape by Captain on MSP Layover
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https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...-Airlines.html
Many, if not most, U.S. court records are supposed to be available to the public under sunshine laws enacted decades ago. However in the digital age the docs are served on sites like www.pacer.gov that have registration requirements and user fees that tend to discourage perusal by other than legal professionals.
Pina v. Alaska Airlines is filed in King County Superior Court and the documents may be accessed electronically by jumping through the hoops and paying the fees listed on this web page:
https://www.kingcounty.gov/courts/cl...CR-online.aspx
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As cited twice previously on this thread, the 'Complaint for Damages: Workplace Rape' is posted here by Seattle Times reporter Louis Kamb:
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...-Airlines.html
Many, if not most, U.S. court records are supposed to be available to the public under sunshine laws enacted decades ago. However in the digital age the docs are served on sites like www.pacer.gov that have registration requirements and user fees that tend to discourage perusal by other than legal professionals.
Pina v. Alaska Airlines is filed in King County Superior Court and the documents may be accessed electronically by jumping through the hoops and paying the fees listed on this web page:
https://www.kingcounty.gov/courts/cl...CR-online.aspx
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...-Airlines.html
Many, if not most, U.S. court records are supposed to be available to the public under sunshine laws enacted decades ago. However in the digital age the docs are served on sites like www.pacer.gov that have registration requirements and user fees that tend to discourage perusal by other than legal professionals.
Pina v. Alaska Airlines is filed in King County Superior Court and the documents may be accessed electronically by jumping through the hoops and paying the fees listed on this web page:
https://www.kingcounty.gov/courts/cl...CR-online.aspx
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Alaska Airlines CEO Brad Tilden has recently posted this update on his blog, possibly in response to claims that Alaska Airlines did not properly address Ms. Pina's initial allegations of sexual assault.
https://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-ai...eople/respect/
...But because this work takes all of us, I’m writing to share an update. Here is what we’ve started:
We recognized the need to update training to support our employees. We’ll continue to learn from our employees, labor partners, guests, law enforcement, and experts in the field to design new training and resources.
To begin, we launched new training for flight attendants and added a sexual assault scenario to existing recurrent training based on information from RAINN, the nation’s largest anti-sexual violence organization, and the King County Sexual Assault Resource Center. This summer we’ll hold additional in-person training.
This spring, we’re hosting conversations about preventing and addressing sexual harassment and assault.
We’re developing training for all employees aimed at preventing sexual harassment and assault, and other forms of harassment, with a research-based approach focused on the impact of individual choices to shift social norms.
And we’re developing onboard resources to clarify how guests can support one another and our crews. Every day, we see examples of how you look out for each other and for our employees. We want to do our part to help make sure this continues.
To be clear, sexual harassment and assault have absolutely no place in our workplace, on board our flights, or any place.
In cases of violence or sexual assault, employees and guests should call 911 immediately...
We recognized the need to update training to support our employees. We’ll continue to learn from our employees, labor partners, guests, law enforcement, and experts in the field to design new training and resources.
To begin, we launched new training for flight attendants and added a sexual assault scenario to existing recurrent training based on information from RAINN, the nation’s largest anti-sexual violence organization, and the King County Sexual Assault Resource Center. This summer we’ll hold additional in-person training.
This spring, we’re hosting conversations about preventing and addressing sexual harassment and assault.
We’re developing training for all employees aimed at preventing sexual harassment and assault, and other forms of harassment, with a research-based approach focused on the impact of individual choices to shift social norms.
And we’re developing onboard resources to clarify how guests can support one another and our crews. Every day, we see examples of how you look out for each other and for our employees. We want to do our part to help make sure this continues.
To be clear, sexual harassment and assault have absolutely no place in our workplace, on board our flights, or any place.
In cases of violence or sexual assault, employees and guests should call 911 immediately...
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There have been a small number of high profile cases in UK where police/CPS have failed to identify or disclose evidence that casts doubt on accusation. Failure is not limited to sexual crimes though. In part that's about not looking for evidence contrary to prosecution case. Far more though it's down to system's demand for everything in paper bundles and failure to deal with sheer volume of data on a phone or PC.
The accuser has had anonymity for around forty years. There's a reasonable case to be made for extending that to the accused. There would be discretion to judge to remove it in interest of justice such as where (Savile, Clifford etc) serial offending is probable.
Are you seriously suggesting the accuser should lose her anonymity if the case collapses? Do you include a not guilty verdict as a collapse? Not guilty means the jury were not sure; it doesn't make the accuser a lying charlatan. If she is then the charge of perverting the cause of justice is appropriate.
The pendulum has not even reached half way. While the consequences of an ill founded accusation against an innocent male are ruinous the probability for those not chancing their hand is around same as that of a dual engine failure from unrelated causes.
The accuser has had anonymity for around forty years. There's a reasonable case to be made for extending that to the accused. There would be discretion to judge to remove it in interest of justice such as where (Savile, Clifford etc) serial offending is probable.
Are you seriously suggesting the accuser should lose her anonymity if the case collapses? Do you include a not guilty verdict as a collapse? Not guilty means the jury were not sure; it doesn't make the accuser a lying charlatan. If she is then the charge of perverting the cause of justice is appropriate.
The pendulum has not even reached half way. While the consequences of an ill founded accusation against an innocent male are ruinous the probability for those not chancing their hand is around same as that of a dual engine failure from unrelated causes.
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A Conversation I'd rather not have overheared
Gents my age seem invisible to young ladies - or assumed hard of hearing.
A young lady at an adjacent table in a coffee shop was discussing her involuntary sexual encounter at a party with another young lady sat on the bench next to me. Not having been invited to the conversation, I decided remaining apparently oblivious with my nose in the paper would occasion the least distress at a difficult time.
She showered for two hours after.
Then a friend advised her to go to Emerg.
She didn't know what she wanted to happen and still doesn't.
She cried for two weeks.
Her family doctor when apprised of the incident stated that the lesson was to leave a party immediately the first bottle of beer was opened.
Now she is concerned that if she does not take it to the police, nothing will stop the perp from victimising somebody else.
It makes me wonder if a civil suit might be a better way to get even than a criminal proceeding where the matter is taken completely out of the victim's hands.
A young lady at an adjacent table in a coffee shop was discussing her involuntary sexual encounter at a party with another young lady sat on the bench next to me. Not having been invited to the conversation, I decided remaining apparently oblivious with my nose in the paper would occasion the least distress at a difficult time.
She showered for two hours after.
Then a friend advised her to go to Emerg.
She didn't know what she wanted to happen and still doesn't.
She cried for two weeks.
Her family doctor when apprised of the incident stated that the lesson was to leave a party immediately the first bottle of beer was opened.
Now she is concerned that if she does not take it to the police, nothing will stop the perp from victimising somebody else.
It makes me wonder if a civil suit might be a better way to get even than a criminal proceeding where the matter is taken completely out of the victim's hands.
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I miss Joe Friday and his famous line "just the facts mam". This thread has become a very emotional and political charged rant for many.
All that I can add it that during my years working with the airlines I was harassed many times by women. They really didn't accept a no for an answer, when we were overnighting ,and they had a bit to drink. They behaved no better then men but I just took it in stride.
All that I can add it that during my years working with the airlines I was harassed many times by women. They really didn't accept a no for an answer, when we were overnighting ,and they had a bit to drink. They behaved no better then men but I just took it in stride.
All that I can add it that during my years working with the airlines I was harassed many times by women. They really didn't accept a no for an answer, when we were overnighting ,and they had a bit to drink.
We had a male flight attendant accused of sexual harassment (of another male) in a Georgian bar (the country Georgia... macho to the core). How we got him out of that bar alive still shakes me to this day.
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Fairy Tale
[I]All that I can add it that during my years working with the airlines I was harassed many times by women. They really didn't accept a no for an answer, when we were overnighting ,and they had a bit to drink. They behaved no better then men but I just took it in stride.[I]
As to the above, "What is the difference between a fairy tale and a flying story?
They both begin with " Once upon a time...."
As to the above, "What is the difference between a fairy tale and a flying story?
They both begin with " Once upon a time...."
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Not a Fairy tale
I've worked with predominantly women for many years and I can assure you they are capable of anything you can imagine and a lot more besides. Hand on heart I have only transgressed once, a group of 3 in their late 20s decided that the first one to lay me would win a bet, that was enjoyable for a few weeks and ended amicably but then the other 2 said " me too". The amount of trouble they caused when I said no was considerable ( hell hath no fury and all that) so forgive me for being sceptical about claims of rape a month or ten yrs after the event.
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warbirdfinder remember that fools that don't learn from the past are stupid enough to repeat them all over again.
In aviation we have a saying " learn from the mistakes of others , you won't live long enough to make them all yourself".
In aviation we have a saying " learn from the mistakes of others , you won't live long enough to make them all yourself".
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Alaska Airlines FO Alleges Rape by Captain on MSP Layover, the rest of the story
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Here's the latest news on that.
A former senior Alaska Airlines pilot who was fired earlier this year after a female co-pilot sued the airline, alleging that the captain drugged and raped her during a June 2017 work trip, has filed a lawsuit of his own against his accuser and the carrier. The aviator, who flew for Alaska for 22 years, claims he was wrongly terminated amid “false #MeToo claims” in a “negligent, flawed investigation.”Paul Engelien filed the lawsuit against former First Officer Betty Pina after the 40-year-old woman claimed the captain, 51, drugged and raped her during a layover on a work trip to Minnesota in June 2017, the Seattle Times reported on Nov. 2.According to Engelien’s litigation, Pina falsely invented the claims of sexual assault in order to avoid “workplace discipline” given her status as a probationary employee. The former military pilots were subjected to a “routine, internal” alcohol-consumption violation investigation by Alaska regarding their actions on the trip.
Officials at Alaska believed that the pair may have violated the airline’s ten-hour alcohol rule during the work trip, which prohibits pilots from consuming alcohol within ten hours of duty. (Reuters/LinkedIn)
Officials at Alaska believed that the pair may have violated the airline’s ten-hour alcohol rule during layover, which prohibits pilots from consuming alcohol within ten hours of duty.“Pina’s false claims defamed Engelien, invaded his privacy, decimated his life and career, and caused him severe distress,” Engelien's lawsuit states, arguing that Alaska’s human resources advisor lead a “negligent, flawed and pretextual [internal] investigation” regarding the claims.The lawsuit also states that Pina was previously involved in a similar incident during her time working for Alaska in May 2017, during which she reportedly “drank too much, blacked out, then later blamed others,” the Times reports.According to Pina’s LinkedIn profile, she now flies for a Hawaii-based carrier.
Engelien was grounded by Alaska almost immediately after news of Pina’s lawsuit broke in March 2018, before his employment with the airline was terminated. (iStock)
Engelien was grounded by Alaska almost immediately after news of Pina’s lawsuit broke in March 2018, before his employment with the airline was eventually terminated.Though Pina’s lawsuit against Alaska was settled out of court in September of this year, Engelien claims that he has suffered “devastating economic, emotional and reputations injuries and damages” as caused by accuser’s “false #MeToo” claims" in the lawsuit.Representatives for Alaska Airlines did not immediately return Fox News’ request for comment on the story.
Here's the latest news on that.
A former senior Alaska Airlines pilot who was fired earlier this year after a female co-pilot sued the airline, alleging that the captain drugged and raped her during a June 2017 work trip, has filed a lawsuit of his own against his accuser and the carrier. The aviator, who flew for Alaska for 22 years, claims he was wrongly terminated amid “false #MeToo claims” in a “negligent, flawed investigation.”Paul Engelien filed the lawsuit against former First Officer Betty Pina after the 40-year-old woman claimed the captain, 51, drugged and raped her during a layover on a work trip to Minnesota in June 2017, the Seattle Times reported on Nov. 2.According to Engelien’s litigation, Pina falsely invented the claims of sexual assault in order to avoid “workplace discipline” given her status as a probationary employee. The former military pilots were subjected to a “routine, internal” alcohol-consumption violation investigation by Alaska regarding their actions on the trip.
Officials at Alaska believed that the pair may have violated the airline’s ten-hour alcohol rule during the work trip, which prohibits pilots from consuming alcohol within ten hours of duty. (Reuters/LinkedIn)
Engelien was grounded by Alaska almost immediately after news of Pina’s lawsuit broke in March 2018, before his employment with the airline was terminated. (iStock)
