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Old 5th Jan 2018, 02:50
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Did nobody in the Indian press ever take a Journalism 101 course?
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 04:50
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Originally Posted by scotneil View Post
The statement from Jet Airways sounds as if the airline wants to whitewash this matter. Further, it seems strange to roster 2 pilots together if they're in a "relationship" (assuming the airline is aware of this). Very unprofessional from both pilots, and I agree that they should both be looking for another job.
Indian media reports the pilot's license has been cancelled by the aviation regulator.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 05:29
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It’s deplorable that the individual(s) involved let their emotional state get the better of them while at the controls and the airline needs to introspect on how strong their CRM processes and depts are.

Many airlines and pilots too look at the CRM dept as a waste of precious resources and have shaved their budgets to minimum regulatory requirements . They need to realise the future accidents/incidents are human factor related as technology makes huge strides in safety.

As for the report that the cockpit was empty , I wouldn’t believe our shoddy reporting , they operate 3 man LHR - BOM so as far as I’m aware , cockpit was never empty but you can always trust our Indian press to put some extra masala to make the story spicier.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 06:18
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The Indian press reports the co pilot has had his licence cancelled but surely the captain should suffer the same fate?

“Shortly after the plane took off, the two pilots had a fight," a source told The Times of India. "The co-pilot slapped the lady commander and she left the cockpit in tears. She stood in the galley sobbing.

“The cabin crew tried to comfort her and send her back to the cockpit, but in vain. The co-pilot also kept buzzing [on the intercom to] the crew, asking them to send the second pilot back."

They added: “However, they had a fight for the second time following which she came out again. This time, the cabin crew was quite afraid of the fight happening in the cockpit. They requested her to go to the cockpit and fly the plane safely to its destination.”
To abandon her responsibilities on the flight deck was not in the passengers interests.

If there was a third pilot on board surely he should have declared an emergency with all this emotional mayhem taking place.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 08:33
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It's obviously not ideal but she had been assaulted by the person sitting next to her. What if he had hit her again.... and again.... How long would you sit next to someone who is hitting you?
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 09:10
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Originally Posted by Gauges and Dials View Post
Did nobody in the Indian press ever take a Journalism 101 course?
The fake news in the U.S. is even worse, the woman was the copilot in this AP story:

India airline probes pilot accused of slapping co-pilot

By Associated Press January 4 at 5:40 AM

NEW DELHI — India’s Jet Airways has ordered an investigation into reports that a senior pilot slapped a female co-pilot in the cockpit during a London to Mumbai flight this week.

The Press Trust of India news agency said that India’s civil aviation ministry has suspended the senior pilot’s flying license.

The agency quoted an unnamed Jet Airways official as saying that the pilot allegedly attacked the co-pilot after an argument with her and she came out of the cabin crying.
India airline probes pilot accused of slapping co-pilot - ABC News
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 13:58
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Reminds me of the Jet Airways pilot on secondment to a UAE airline that went to another pilot's room and tried to ax the guy to death with a metal ornament from the hotel lobby. He spent the night in the slammer and then the Company paid his bail and helped him skip the country. I think that court case is still ongoing.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 14:14
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I have paxed with this airline some years ago and have to say it is a disaster waiting to happen. On a number of trips in and out of India I have witnessed fights between passengers both in flight and pre take off. Jet is a low cost airline but allows 30k luggage as is the norm in to the Subcon.

However the result is they try to take another 20k as hand luggage.Arguments in the aisle are normal as passengers try to pack overhead bins designed for small carry on bags.

The cabin crew just stand back and watch as they do with Chinese carriers.

The UK CAA need to ban airlines such as this until they can prove they are up to standard on CRM.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 16:22
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I think the usual clamour to sack people is very inappropriate here. leaving aside the reporting-which these days is pretty much the same worldwide but for a few quality papers what do people on here expect a female to do if male colleague, hits them.
If there was a third crew member I think she did the right thing by leaving the flight deck-she would have been shocked and frightened and I dont suppose in any state to exercise her duties until things stabilised .
Women do tend to cry more easily than men but are often tougher when it comes to dealing with pain and I dont see that female pilots should have sitting still and getting hit in the face by the other pilot as part of the necessary 'right stuff' for doing the job.

I think she acted very sensibly-leave the flight deck /place of conflict which could have escalated, let things calm down, recover her wits and assurance and go back and get on with her job.

As for the guy who hit her-well there would have to be some pretty serious extenuating circumstances for him to keep his job-pretty much anywhere hitting a colleague is likely to end in dismissal even in an office let alone on the flight deck of a triple seven.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 18:55
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
The Indian press reports the co pilot has had his licence cancelled but surely the captain should suffer the same fate?

To abandon her responsibilities on the flight deck was not in the passengers interests.
That would be a neat trick; attending to her responsibilities when she's getting hit in the face.

You should probably re-think this. She de-escalated the situation by removing herself (as a target of violence) from the cockpit. You believe it was in the passengers interest for her to allow the beating to continue?
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 20:12
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
The fake news in the U.S. is even worse, the woman was the copilot in this AP story:



India airline probes pilot accused of slapping co-pilot - ABC News
The AP story at least quotes sources and otherwise adheres to the normal standards of a press article. The issue is not making mistakes (as the AP article does), it's the stream of completely unsourced assertions I typically see in Times of India articles.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 20:20
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the Company paid his bail and helped him skip the country.
Sounds like quite an outfit.

It does make you wonder if EASA/FAA/CAA should make inquires as to the continued suitability of this airline to hold an AOC.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 22:45
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Seriously this is nothing.. nothing.

How about letting two flight attendants fly an A320 with 166 people on board whilst both crew members snoozed in Business class?

Only returning when the autopilot disengaged and they noticed something was amiss.. extremely lucky I'd say.

The validity of the story is unquestionable- the only dispute was whether it was for just 40m or so...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/19860300.cms
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 05:26
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Originally Posted by booke23 View Post
Sounds like quite an outfit.

It does make you wonder if EASA/FAA/CAA should make inquires as to the continued suitability of this airline to hold an AOC.
or at least the ones complicit in this "operation" dealt with properly...but neither happened...the fellow's uncle is/was deeply embedded in the training dept.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 08:24
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Culture

India has a problem with slap culture. Whenever someone feels disrespected, out come the palm and sometimes even the slipper. Just YouTube it to see how prevalent it is. I recall an incident in the last year where a politician slapped an airport worker at the gate for allegedly disrespecting him. If the rulers of the land can't demonstrate how to be civil, how can anyone else be expected to do so?

Just like aweful Korean pilots who can't land planes and crazy assed Latin American pilots who take risks with fuel and end up killing entire football teams, Indians are another culture that need to address their innate cultural deficiencies when it comes to safety.

None of us are perfect but our ugliness can only come to light when incidents occur. Airlines from countries with macho cultures, continue to be the best circus acts in town with such poor and completely avoidable safety incidents.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 10:33
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Perhaps single-pilot freight ops for both for quite a while.
When they are dismissed, the male slapper certainly should be, would another airline even consider them with this incident on their record ? Would you hire either of these two emotionally disturbed 'professional' pilots to fly an airplane ever again. I don't think so.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 11:10
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I'm sure the UAE carriers would have them in a flash.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 12:34
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Juan Togoh - It is you who needs to engage brain. What super VC-10 said is entirely correct. Suggest you read up on secure cockpit doors.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 13:18
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Nevertheless case will be taken as example for interface removal.
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Old 6th Jan 2018, 20:01
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CRM training .........

You are the Commander - the other pilot punches / slaps you in the face (two crew).

What do you do?

(Call senior crew member to cockpit, have second pilot restrained? May Day / Pan to ATC - unlawful interference? Diversion?).

Interesting one for the CRM trainers.
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