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I'm more inclined to think that the delay had more to do with allowing the media time to focus the world's attention on the towers, before destroying the second one on live tv. The media was as much used as a weapon of terror as the aircraft.
....this also allowed the aircraft to arrive at the WTC towers about 20 minutes apart, thus allowing the smoke to clear enough from the first impact to allow success with the second impact.
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This is second hand information, but I was told that Sky News (presumably in the UK) played a video segment demonstrating how one could use Microsoft Flight Simulator 98 to crash into the Pentagon.
Presumably the point they were trying to make was that a person who'd done that would be able to leap into the cockpit of a real aircraft and do the same.
I am in the US and searched their website, but could not find the video. If it is indeed true that Sky ran this piece, then I am absolutely sickened and saddened that any member of the press would stoop to such levels of sensationalism at such a time!!!
Presumably the point they were trying to make was that a person who'd done that would be able to leap into the cockpit of a real aircraft and do the same.
I am in the US and searched their website, but could not find the video. If it is indeed true that Sky ran this piece, then I am absolutely sickened and saddened that any member of the press would stoop to such levels of sensationalism at such a time!!!
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FBI names pilots, according to CNN.
2 Saudi, 2 UAE. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/inv...ion.terrorism/
2 Saudi, 2 UAE. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/inv...ion.terrorism/
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This whole situation reminds me of bits out of the movie UNDER SIEGE (denzel washington).
I believe a person with a handheld gps, who has gained previous access to the WTC can record the exact location, thus allowing you to just fly towards that point by the magnetic heading it gives you. Used one before, it is not hard.
Mind you, everything is possible, they must have planned this a long time ago. BUT, let us not raise these killers so highly, as they do not deserve the recognition they are getting now.
Hope they roast 4ever.
I believe a person with a handheld gps, who has gained previous access to the WTC can record the exact location, thus allowing you to just fly towards that point by the magnetic heading it gives you. Used one before, it is not hard.
Mind you, everything is possible, they must have planned this a long time ago. BUT, let us not raise these killers so highly, as they do not deserve the recognition they are getting now.
Hope they roast 4ever.
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smallwing, I think the movie was 'The Siege' I seem to recall that an FBI building was levelled in NYC, the following witch hunt descended into chaos ..... which was exactly what the terrorists set out to do.
What measures can you put in place as a deterrent against people who don’t even value their own lives?
What measures can you put in place as a deterrent against people who don’t even value their own lives?
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This taken from foxnews.com
A Venice, Fla., man said FBI agents told him that two men who stayed in his home in July 2000 while training at a local flight school were the hijackers. Charlie Voss said the agents identified the men as Mohamed Atta and one known as Marwan.
FBI agents "informed me that there were two individuals that were students at Huffman Aviation, my employer, and FBI told me they were involved in yesterday's tragedy," Voss said.
Voss said he accepted the two men as house guests as a favor to the company.
A Venice, Fla., man said FBI agents told him that two men who stayed in his home in July 2000 while training at a local flight school were the hijackers. Charlie Voss said the agents identified the men as Mohamed Atta and one known as Marwan.
FBI agents "informed me that there were two individuals that were students at Huffman Aviation, my employer, and FBI told me they were involved in yesterday's tragedy," Voss said.
Voss said he accepted the two men as house guests as a favor to the company.
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Mr Creosote, I think you're right. I'm sure the terrorists had it in mind to terrorize the whole nation, and the world. After all, a fairly large number of video cameras did record the impact of the second aircraft, and those videos have shaken us all.
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Don't buy off on the flight simulators/MS software theories. I'm a former fighter pilot and, as such, don't have a whole lot of time in auto pilot. Although I'm not au fait with 757/767 characteristics,there's one thing I know for sure--it ain't easy to drive an airplane (ANY airplane) into a target (Pentagon) in a shallow dive with continuously changing airspeed and AOA perameters--the game enthusiast probably would have faced that scenario, but the pro (or well-trained amateur) would have the skill to control a/s and AOA significantly simplifying the problem. A level approach against the WTC would be easier, but still, in my humble opinion, beyond the capabilities of a guy with very little no-**** airplane driving experience.
When the guys go out to get even, I sure wish I could join 'em.
When the guys go out to get even, I sure wish I could join 'em.
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Sorry to add comments such as this, but,
If as has been said earlier in this thread, that the scumbags who flew the birds into the building have had some sort of "Pro" help such as an existing Big Bird pilot, then it stands nearly to reason that the training pilot would be from the Mid/Far East, therefore how safe is it now to allow these sorts of area's/Countries to send their A/C to the USA and Europe, with this sort of Crazy mindset that now seems to prevail in these area's?
Who would risk one full of pax going into some other serious target, say in a few weeks time!
If as has been said earlier in this thread, that the scumbags who flew the birds into the building have had some sort of "Pro" help such as an existing Big Bird pilot, then it stands nearly to reason that the training pilot would be from the Mid/Far East, therefore how safe is it now to allow these sorts of area's/Countries to send their A/C to the USA and Europe, with this sort of Crazy mindset that now seems to prevail in these area's?
Who would risk one full of pax going into some other serious target, say in a few weeks time!
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One of the suspected hijackers had a disagreement about a restaurant bill in Florida, and said he could easily pay it because 'he was a pilot.'
-me (ex New Yorker)
NB. I've often noticed that in those countries where cockpit access is not restricted (ie outside the US) a pilot's certificate goes a long way in getting the people up front to give a good look. It seems that at least some of the terrorists held commercial multiengine certs. Just another reminder that just because the person visiting the flight deck is a pilot, it doesn't mean that they intend you no harm.......
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Have just been on a web sight that has published some of the pieces of evidence which are telling indicators of the possibility of Ousam Bi Ladin's involvement, either wholly or in part. It includes the translation of his Declaration of War on the USA which makes for pretty grim reading.
He is an individual who has been decribed by his own family members as being devout to the point of extremeism even as a child. He had to be forcibley restrained by them from joining in the fanatics who captured the Mosque in Mecca in the mid seventies. He has since been publicaly renounced by the majority of his family who took out the front page of the National newspaper to do so.
He had been considered a hero during the Muhajedin revolt against the Russians and even recieved help and training from the CIA, however became a lose cannon when he returned to the Kingdom. He was exiled and now is bent on creating a 'Holy War' between Muslim and Christian. He has followers from many countries and has huge financial resources. He uses the Muslim religion and has twisted it to suit his ends and his views. He quotes it all the time and professes that to follow him is to follow the 'true way'.
How many times throughout history have we seen men use and pervert religion for their own terrible ends. He sows terror and discord and his followers revere him. He has massive funds at his disposal and is a highly sophisticated and well educated man. He takes his recruits from the poor who have little, and lives very simply among them which endears him to them, however he also appeals to the zealots and extremists, rich or poor.
He sees America as being the cause of many of the regions ills and has convinced many of his followers that to die in the name of their religion will earn them a place beside Allah.
There has been no shortage of planning and no shortage of funds or training including pilot training for the volounteers who would be his 'Knights' of vengence. There are extremists who have plenty of heavy jet experience and further training would have been perfecty feasible. He has tried for the twin towers before and failed, he just planned a bit better the next time.
He would like there to be hate and discord, it would suit his purpouse for Americans to harass and to blame all Muslims. There is no doubt that there are segments of the Muslim world that applauded the act but there are also massive numbers who are truly appalled at what has been done.
It has been heartening to see the almost calm and stoic reaction,The way in which the people of the USA have and are coping with these terrible events, there is also no mistaking the resolve of the American people, there is a sense of an inexorable power gathering itself for a War to root out and hunt down and destroy those who are in any way connected with this appalling vicious and terrible act. Much as the Japanese Admiral feared that a great giant had been woken after Pearl Harbour.
May it be well guided, and may it find and aprehend or destroy every one who is even remotely connected to that heinous act with as little collateral as is possible.
This will effect every single one of us, it already has, and the future looks as though there may be some pretty grim times ahead when the world in general finaly decides to do something about the various elements throughout the world who have believed for so long in their ability to force events by hidden acts of violence and terror. They may find themselves on the end of terror as they are hunted down and brought to justice, may it be soon
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He is an individual who has been decribed by his own family members as being devout to the point of extremeism even as a child. He had to be forcibley restrained by them from joining in the fanatics who captured the Mosque in Mecca in the mid seventies. He has since been publicaly renounced by the majority of his family who took out the front page of the National newspaper to do so.
He had been considered a hero during the Muhajedin revolt against the Russians and even recieved help and training from the CIA, however became a lose cannon when he returned to the Kingdom. He was exiled and now is bent on creating a 'Holy War' between Muslim and Christian. He has followers from many countries and has huge financial resources. He uses the Muslim religion and has twisted it to suit his ends and his views. He quotes it all the time and professes that to follow him is to follow the 'true way'.
How many times throughout history have we seen men use and pervert religion for their own terrible ends. He sows terror and discord and his followers revere him. He has massive funds at his disposal and is a highly sophisticated and well educated man. He takes his recruits from the poor who have little, and lives very simply among them which endears him to them, however he also appeals to the zealots and extremists, rich or poor.
He sees America as being the cause of many of the regions ills and has convinced many of his followers that to die in the name of their religion will earn them a place beside Allah.
There has been no shortage of planning and no shortage of funds or training including pilot training for the volounteers who would be his 'Knights' of vengence. There are extremists who have plenty of heavy jet experience and further training would have been perfecty feasible. He has tried for the twin towers before and failed, he just planned a bit better the next time.
He would like there to be hate and discord, it would suit his purpouse for Americans to harass and to blame all Muslims. There is no doubt that there are segments of the Muslim world that applauded the act but there are also massive numbers who are truly appalled at what has been done.
It has been heartening to see the almost calm and stoic reaction,The way in which the people of the USA have and are coping with these terrible events, there is also no mistaking the resolve of the American people, there is a sense of an inexorable power gathering itself for a War to root out and hunt down and destroy those who are in any way connected with this appalling vicious and terrible act. Much as the Japanese Admiral feared that a great giant had been woken after Pearl Harbour.
May it be well guided, and may it find and aprehend or destroy every one who is even remotely connected to that heinous act with as little collateral as is possible.
This will effect every single one of us, it already has, and the future looks as though there may be some pretty grim times ahead when the world in general finaly decides to do something about the various elements throughout the world who have believed for so long in their ability to force events by hidden acts of violence and terror. They may find themselves on the end of terror as they are hunted down and brought to justice, may it be soon
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This from CNN...
We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that Adnan Bukhari and a brother, Ameer, of Vero Beach, Florida, were suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade Center. CNN learned Thursday that Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida, where he was questioned Wednesday by the FBI. We are sorry for the misinformation. Through his attorney, Bukhari says he is not connected at all with this, that he is helping authorities, and that any documents they found with his name means his identity was stolen. He says Ameer Bukhari, who he says is not his brother, died in a small plane crash last year. Additionally, Bukhari's attorney informs CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI-administered lie detector test.
We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that Adnan Bukhari and a brother, Ameer, of Vero Beach, Florida, were suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade Center. CNN learned Thursday that Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida, where he was questioned Wednesday by the FBI. We are sorry for the misinformation. Through his attorney, Bukhari says he is not connected at all with this, that he is helping authorities, and that any documents they found with his name means his identity was stolen. He says Ameer Bukhari, who he says is not his brother, died in a small plane crash last year. Additionally, Bukhari's attorney informs CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI-administered lie detector test.
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From today's Boston Globe:
By Kevin Cullen and Matthew Brelis, Globe Staff, 9/13/2001
Three men who were trained as pilots have emerged as the central figures in the hijacking of two Boston-to-Los Angeles flights that were deliberately crashed into the World Trade Center towers.
The trio are among a dozen men with Arabic surnames who were the focus yesterday of the massive investigation here trying to determine who commandeered the two Boeing
767s that formed half of the biggest terrorist attack ever against Americans.
Sources close to the investigation said that investigators had recovered from a car
rented by a suspected hijacker a so-called ''ramp pass,'' which gives the holder access to restricted areas at Logan Airport. Evidence also suggests the rental car was used to case the airport during the week leading up to the attack.
As investigators retraced the steps of the men, using an extensive list of Visa credit
card receipts, evidence pointing to the plot having its roots in the Middle East was piling up.
The names of the 12 men with Arabic surnames were not on a passenger list made public yesterday by American Airlines and United Air Lines, whose planes were hijacked Tuesday morning. But The Boston Globe obtained the complete list, and law
enforcement sources confirmed that they were focusing on up to a dozen of the Arabic men as they piece together how the two Boston flights were hijacked.
One of the suspects, Mohamed Atta, 33, is a Saudi national who trained as an airline
pilot. The other two, Waleed Alshehri and Marwan Alshehri, are believed to be brothers
from the United Arab Emirates, and are also trained to fly heavy commercial aircraft like the ones that were commandeered and flown into the World Trade Center towers in New York.
Both Atta, who attended a flight school in Florida last year, and Waleed Alshehri
received training that would have made them capable of flying American Airlines Flight
11 into the first of the two towers that later collapsed, killing what officials assume will be thousands of office workers and hundreds of their would-be rescuers.
Marwan Alshehri, who attended flight school with Atta, was capable of flying United Air
Lines Flight 175 into one of the towers, investigators believe.
Atta caught Flight 11 off a connecting flight from Portland, Maine. Two bags with Atta's name tags were on the Portland flight, but did not get transferred in time to be loaded on the Los Angeles-bound flight that left Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m., about 45 minutes before it smashed into the World Trade Center tower.
Acccording to the manifest, Atta was assigned seat 8D in business class on Flight 11, directly across the aisle from Hollywood producer David Angell and his wife, Lynn, who were in seats 8A and 8B respectively. Seated next to Atta in seat 8G was Abdul
Alomari. The two remaining seats in Row 8, H and J, were unassigned.
The passenger list for Flight 175 shows that Marwan Alshehri got on the plane that left
Boston and slammed into one of the Manhattan skyscrapers 15 minutes after Flight 11.
A Florida man, Charles Voss, yesterday said that Atta and a man whom he knew only as Marwan had stayed at his home last year while they obtained flight training at a
Florida flight school. Voss, who used to work at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Fla., told the Associated Press that the FBI agents who interviewed him Tuesday told him that the two men who stayed at his home were involved in the hijackings. Azzan Ali, a
student at Huffman Aviation, said that Marwan Alshehri had stayed with Voss.
Voss said the FBI told him that the two men who had stayed with him last year had been traced to a car found at Logan Airport. Law enforcement sources told the Globe that authorities had recovered from the car a a
ramp pass issued by the Massachusetts Port Authority.
Waleed Alshehri also held a commercial pilot's license and was rated to fly large, multi-engine aircraft.
On Tuesday night, Massachusetts State Police detectives and the FBI seized a Mitsubishi sedan that a Hampden County law enforcement
official said one of the suspected hijackers rented in Springfield and that was parked in a Logan Airport parking lot. When they reviewed videotape of the parking lot's surveillance camera, investigators found
that the car had entered the lot up to five times between last Wednesday and Tuesday, according to sources. Those sources said the constant presence of the car over the last week suggested that the terrorists had
scouted the airport, or performed dry runs for the daring attack.
Sources familiar with the investigation said the ramp pass, found in the Mitsubishi sedan, gives holders access to restricted parts of the airport.
Sources said at least five one-way tickets for the United flight and at least two similar tickets for the American flight were purchased at the last minute by suspected hijackers. The sources said at least four of the tickets were purchased with the same Visa card.
One state official who spoke on condition of anonymity expressed deep regret that airline officials did not react more cautiously regarding the ticket purchases.
''That is something that should jump out at you,'' said the state official. ''One-way ticket, purchased by Arabic gentlemen; that should have been red-flagged.''
One source said the car had been parked at least ''four to five'' times at Logan since Sept. 5.
Meanwhile, authorities in Florida were investigating the possibility that two suspected terrorists, including Waleed Alshehri, prepared for the attacks on New York and Washington while at Embry-Riddle Aeronautics University in Daytona Beach - one as a student and one while working as
an instructor.
In a statement yesterday, university officials said they are cooperating with the FBI and other investigative agencies and would provide no further information.
But the Globe found Waleed Alshehri's name on a list of 1997 Embry graduates. The FBI Tuesday evening searched a Daytona Beach
apartment where Alshehri lived during the time he is believed to have attended Embry.
The Globe reported yesterday that inside the suitcase belonging to Atta, investigators found a Saudi passport, an international driver's license, a videotape on how to fly a Boeing 757 and 747, and ''some kind of
religious cassette tape.'' Atta has previously held an Egyptian driver's
license.
State Police and the FBI spent much of yesterday searching a unit of the Park Inn off Route 9 in Chestnut Hill, where at least two of the hijackers were believed to have stayed the night before the attack. At noon, more than a dozen law enforcement vehicles parked behind the hotel, and officers, some clad in bullet-proof vests and bearing shields, assembled on the third floor of the inn.
The unit of the inn, formerly the Susse Chalet, is under renovation and only a few rooms were occupied, according to one of its managers.
FBI investigators spent about 15 hours in Room 432 of the inn yesterday, painstakingly analyzing and removing evidence, including a recliner as well as several boxes and bags of material. The operation started at 6
a.m., according to other guests at the inn, who returned last night to find they were being moved to other buildings in the complex.
All the guests were moved out of the building except Michael Arnold, of Nantucket, who was staying in the room next to 432 and was allowed to go in and shave last evening.
Arnold had noticed the two men staying in the room next to his, where he said the FBI told him they found a flight schedule and a train schedule. But he said he had not noticed anything unusual about the men.
By Kevin Cullen and Matthew Brelis, Globe Staff, 9/13/2001
Three men who were trained as pilots have emerged as the central figures in the hijacking of two Boston-to-Los Angeles flights that were deliberately crashed into the World Trade Center towers.
The trio are among a dozen men with Arabic surnames who were the focus yesterday of the massive investigation here trying to determine who commandeered the two Boeing
767s that formed half of the biggest terrorist attack ever against Americans.
Sources close to the investigation said that investigators had recovered from a car
rented by a suspected hijacker a so-called ''ramp pass,'' which gives the holder access to restricted areas at Logan Airport. Evidence also suggests the rental car was used to case the airport during the week leading up to the attack.
As investigators retraced the steps of the men, using an extensive list of Visa credit
card receipts, evidence pointing to the plot having its roots in the Middle East was piling up.
The names of the 12 men with Arabic surnames were not on a passenger list made public yesterday by American Airlines and United Air Lines, whose planes were hijacked Tuesday morning. But The Boston Globe obtained the complete list, and law
enforcement sources confirmed that they were focusing on up to a dozen of the Arabic men as they piece together how the two Boston flights were hijacked.
One of the suspects, Mohamed Atta, 33, is a Saudi national who trained as an airline
pilot. The other two, Waleed Alshehri and Marwan Alshehri, are believed to be brothers
from the United Arab Emirates, and are also trained to fly heavy commercial aircraft like the ones that were commandeered and flown into the World Trade Center towers in New York.
Both Atta, who attended a flight school in Florida last year, and Waleed Alshehri
received training that would have made them capable of flying American Airlines Flight
11 into the first of the two towers that later collapsed, killing what officials assume will be thousands of office workers and hundreds of their would-be rescuers.
Marwan Alshehri, who attended flight school with Atta, was capable of flying United Air
Lines Flight 175 into one of the towers, investigators believe.
Atta caught Flight 11 off a connecting flight from Portland, Maine. Two bags with Atta's name tags were on the Portland flight, but did not get transferred in time to be loaded on the Los Angeles-bound flight that left Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m., about 45 minutes before it smashed into the World Trade Center tower.
Acccording to the manifest, Atta was assigned seat 8D in business class on Flight 11, directly across the aisle from Hollywood producer David Angell and his wife, Lynn, who were in seats 8A and 8B respectively. Seated next to Atta in seat 8G was Abdul
Alomari. The two remaining seats in Row 8, H and J, were unassigned.
The passenger list for Flight 175 shows that Marwan Alshehri got on the plane that left
Boston and slammed into one of the Manhattan skyscrapers 15 minutes after Flight 11.
A Florida man, Charles Voss, yesterday said that Atta and a man whom he knew only as Marwan had stayed at his home last year while they obtained flight training at a
Florida flight school. Voss, who used to work at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Fla., told the Associated Press that the FBI agents who interviewed him Tuesday told him that the two men who stayed at his home were involved in the hijackings. Azzan Ali, a
student at Huffman Aviation, said that Marwan Alshehri had stayed with Voss.
Voss said the FBI told him that the two men who had stayed with him last year had been traced to a car found at Logan Airport. Law enforcement sources told the Globe that authorities had recovered from the car a a
ramp pass issued by the Massachusetts Port Authority.
Waleed Alshehri also held a commercial pilot's license and was rated to fly large, multi-engine aircraft.
On Tuesday night, Massachusetts State Police detectives and the FBI seized a Mitsubishi sedan that a Hampden County law enforcement
official said one of the suspected hijackers rented in Springfield and that was parked in a Logan Airport parking lot. When they reviewed videotape of the parking lot's surveillance camera, investigators found
that the car had entered the lot up to five times between last Wednesday and Tuesday, according to sources. Those sources said the constant presence of the car over the last week suggested that the terrorists had
scouted the airport, or performed dry runs for the daring attack.
Sources familiar with the investigation said the ramp pass, found in the Mitsubishi sedan, gives holders access to restricted parts of the airport.
Sources said at least five one-way tickets for the United flight and at least two similar tickets for the American flight were purchased at the last minute by suspected hijackers. The sources said at least four of the tickets were purchased with the same Visa card.
One state official who spoke on condition of anonymity expressed deep regret that airline officials did not react more cautiously regarding the ticket purchases.
''That is something that should jump out at you,'' said the state official. ''One-way ticket, purchased by Arabic gentlemen; that should have been red-flagged.''
One source said the car had been parked at least ''four to five'' times at Logan since Sept. 5.
Meanwhile, authorities in Florida were investigating the possibility that two suspected terrorists, including Waleed Alshehri, prepared for the attacks on New York and Washington while at Embry-Riddle Aeronautics University in Daytona Beach - one as a student and one while working as
an instructor.
In a statement yesterday, university officials said they are cooperating with the FBI and other investigative agencies and would provide no further information.
But the Globe found Waleed Alshehri's name on a list of 1997 Embry graduates. The FBI Tuesday evening searched a Daytona Beach
apartment where Alshehri lived during the time he is believed to have attended Embry.
The Globe reported yesterday that inside the suitcase belonging to Atta, investigators found a Saudi passport, an international driver's license, a videotape on how to fly a Boeing 757 and 747, and ''some kind of
religious cassette tape.'' Atta has previously held an Egyptian driver's
license.
State Police and the FBI spent much of yesterday searching a unit of the Park Inn off Route 9 in Chestnut Hill, where at least two of the hijackers were believed to have stayed the night before the attack. At noon, more than a dozen law enforcement vehicles parked behind the hotel, and officers, some clad in bullet-proof vests and bearing shields, assembled on the third floor of the inn.
The unit of the inn, formerly the Susse Chalet, is under renovation and only a few rooms were occupied, according to one of its managers.
FBI investigators spent about 15 hours in Room 432 of the inn yesterday, painstakingly analyzing and removing evidence, including a recliner as well as several boxes and bags of material. The operation started at 6
a.m., according to other guests at the inn, who returned last night to find they were being moved to other buildings in the complex.
All the guests were moved out of the building except Michael Arnold, of Nantucket, who was staying in the room next to 432 and was allowed to go in and shave last evening.
Arnold had noticed the two men staying in the room next to his, where he said the FBI told him they found a flight schedule and a train schedule. But he said he had not noticed anything unusual about the men.
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Certainly most of us have had a little extra time in the box to roll and loop them! Hell, most of us have even flown through a control tower or buzzed a field in the Sim. All this takes is money and a private enterprise willing to take your money in exchange for sim training. Sim training is not regulated by the gov't! Al, it takes is money!
Thursday September 13 3:23 PM EST
FBI Ignored French Warning on Extremist-Radio
PARIS (Reuters) - The FBI arrested an Islamic militant in Boston last month and received French intelligence reports linking him to Osama bin Laden but apparently did not act on them, a French radio station said Thursday.
Europe 1 radio reported that U.S. police had arrested a man with dual French and Algerian nationality who had several passports, technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. The man had been taking flying lessons, it added.
Asked for information by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, French security services provided a dossier clearly identifying him as an Islamic militant working with Saudi-born guerrilla leader bin Laden.
"He has a pedigree as long as your arm, an investigator said," the radio reported. "He belongs to the Pakistani-Afghan network that trains Osama bin Laden's soldiers."
French officials could not confirm the full content of the Europe 1 report but a judicial source said the United States had now requested information on the militant.
The source added that French authorities had opened a preliminary investigation to establish whether the terror attacks in the United States merited judicial moves in France. The source could give no further details.
Bin Laden, who is Afghan-based, is the suspected mastermind behind Tuesday's devastating plane attacks on New York and Washington. Two of the four commercial airliners hijacked in the suicide operation took off from Boston.
Many Algerian militants fought against Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s and have since mounted guerrilla attacks in Algeria, France and other countries, intelligence sources say.
The radio said the man, who is in jail but has refused to cooperate with investigators, was a "soldier without borders" who had made several trips to potential hotspots around the world in recent months.
"He has the profile of someone who could prepare or lead terrorist operations," it said.
"This information was transmitted by French security services to the FBI but apparently got lost in the enormous American police machinery," it added.
"The inquiry that might have been able to avoid everything was not started. There was no special alert transmitted to airport authorities in the U.S.," it concluded.
FBI Ignored French Warning on Extremist-Radio
PARIS (Reuters) - The FBI arrested an Islamic militant in Boston last month and received French intelligence reports linking him to Osama bin Laden but apparently did not act on them, a French radio station said Thursday.
Europe 1 radio reported that U.S. police had arrested a man with dual French and Algerian nationality who had several passports, technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. The man had been taking flying lessons, it added.
Asked for information by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, French security services provided a dossier clearly identifying him as an Islamic militant working with Saudi-born guerrilla leader bin Laden.
"He has a pedigree as long as your arm, an investigator said," the radio reported. "He belongs to the Pakistani-Afghan network that trains Osama bin Laden's soldiers."
French officials could not confirm the full content of the Europe 1 report but a judicial source said the United States had now requested information on the militant.
The source added that French authorities had opened a preliminary investigation to establish whether the terror attacks in the United States merited judicial moves in France. The source could give no further details.
Bin Laden, who is Afghan-based, is the suspected mastermind behind Tuesday's devastating plane attacks on New York and Washington. Two of the four commercial airliners hijacked in the suicide operation took off from Boston.
Many Algerian militants fought against Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s and have since mounted guerrilla attacks in Algeria, France and other countries, intelligence sources say.
The radio said the man, who is in jail but has refused to cooperate with investigators, was a "soldier without borders" who had made several trips to potential hotspots around the world in recent months.
"He has the profile of someone who could prepare or lead terrorist operations," it said.
"This information was transmitted by French security services to the FBI but apparently got lost in the enormous American police machinery," it added.
"The inquiry that might have been able to avoid everything was not started. There was no special alert transmitted to airport authorities in the U.S.," it concluded.
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Regarding hitting the Pentagon instead of the White House:
If they couldn't find the white house, they might have spotted Pentagon by chance - most of everyone in the world know what the Pentagon looks like, and I am sure that whoever did this does not have many friends in that building. THe special shape of that building should be easy to spot from far away, right ?
If they couldn't find the white house, they might have spotted Pentagon by chance - most of everyone in the world know what the Pentagon looks like, and I am sure that whoever did this does not have many friends in that building. THe special shape of that building should be easy to spot from far away, right ?
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These terrorists were trained in the US. The guys who trained them must be asking themselves over and over 'Is there anything I could have noticed about them?' It's not your fault guys.
In this ridiculous politically correct (western)world we live in I can imagine what would have happened if something had been said. In my country (UK) you would more likely find yourself on a charge of racism for voicing such concerns.
Things have got to change.
God Bless all affected by this tragedy.
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In this ridiculous politically correct (western)world we live in I can imagine what would have happened if something had been said. In my country (UK) you would more likely find yourself on a charge of racism for voicing such concerns.
Things have got to change.
God Bless all affected by this tragedy.
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In this ridiculous politically correct (western)world we live in I can imagine what would have happened if something had been said. In my country (UK) you would more likely find yourself on a charge of racism for voicing such concerns.
Things have got to change.
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I think your comments may be inappropriate to say the least. The implication is that anyone of middle eatern origin or coming from a muslim background, attempting to undergo aviation training should be considered as both a potential fanatic and therefore a terrorist. I'm sorry but I find such an attitude both unhelpful and distasteful.
No race or religion is sheltered from the fact that certain individuals that belong to it might ultimately be responsible for committing acts of unspeakable horror such of those we have seen this week. This does not mean that these individuals are necessarily typical or representative of the race or religion to which they belong.
By its very nature, suggesting that people who are not caucausian in origin should automatically be considered as potential terrorists is both non-sensical and potentailly racist. Where do you draw the line? For instance, the USA already has a history of terrorist acts which have been conducted by its own citizens, and a number of these claim to be Christian. Perhaps all those US citizens who have southern accents and observe a strict christian lifestyle should accoringly be considered with suspicion if they attempt to embark on a career in aviation.
I think the real issue is that vetting and security should be tightened accross the board to prevent individuals who may wish to recieve aviation training in order to ultimately utlise it in terrorist acts from doing so - what ever their background
In this ridiculous politically correct (western)world we live in I can imagine what would have happened if something had been said. In my country (UK) you would more likely find yourself on a charge of racism for voicing such concerns.
Things have got to change.
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I think your comments may be inappropriate to say the least. The implication is that anyone of middle eatern origin or coming from a muslim background, attempting to undergo aviation training should be considered as both a potential fanatic and therefore a terrorist. I'm sorry but I find such an attitude both unhelpful and distasteful.
No race or religion is sheltered from the fact that certain individuals that belong to it might ultimately be responsible for committing acts of unspeakable horror such of those we have seen this week. This does not mean that these individuals are necessarily typical or representative of the race or religion to which they belong.
By its very nature, suggesting that people who are not caucausian in origin should automatically be considered as potential terrorists is both non-sensical and potentailly racist. Where do you draw the line? For instance, the USA already has a history of terrorist acts which have been conducted by its own citizens, and a number of these claim to be Christian. Perhaps all those US citizens who have southern accents and observe a strict christian lifestyle should accoringly be considered with suspicion if they attempt to embark on a career in aviation.
I think the real issue is that vetting and security should be tightened accross the board to prevent individuals who may wish to recieve aviation training in order to ultimately utlise it in terrorist acts from doing so - what ever their background
