US Dept of Commerce slaps 220% tax on Bombardier c series
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So if , as is suggested, the C-Series are a step change in aircraft design, they will sell across the world, and once again the US domestic carriers will carry on with outdated 75 and 76 clones.
Irrespective of the funding issue, C-Series are simply technologically ahead of anything Bubba can produce hence the angst up in Seattle and on the hill.
Perhaps Bombardier should undertake a few more demo trips around the US and get more airlines to push for change. It makes more sense than trying to overcome the corruption and vested interests involved.
It took something similar with Airbus to make it happen for them, it just took a while.
Irrespective of the funding issue, C-Series are simply technologically ahead of anything Bubba can produce hence the angst up in Seattle and on the hill.
Perhaps Bombardier should undertake a few more demo trips around the US and get more airlines to push for change. It makes more sense than trying to overcome the corruption and vested interests involved.
It took something similar with Airbus to make it happen for them, it just took a while.
Here's one for starters, that Boeing ruled out: Boeing hints at GTF 737 re-engining study
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Before entering production stage, a brand new B737 replacement has to be designed to the 21st century technology (FBW, better aerodynamics, larger windows, lighter materials, designed for modern process&tooling) and also to be certified to all new safety requirements introduced meanwhile, therefore multiple billions and years behind.
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The DC-3/C-47 was produced by Douglas (interestingly, and Lisunov, and Nakajima), not Boeing; dumping thousands of them on the civil market after the War only depressed the market for Boeing products.
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Could you tell me which specific technology on the CSeries is ahead of anything Boeing can produce please?
My mate that was flying said machine while I was enjoying the aft bog informed me that we were burning 1600kg per hour while doing so.
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Now this was a passing comment which I may have wrong...
Apparently they have made the bogs negative pressure zones and the air is taken separately back to the dump valve area to be dumped so it doesn't go into the recirc air.
The cabin overhead bins are massive as well and seem to have a sensible realistic weight limit on them.
Apparently they have made the bogs negative pressure zones and the air is taken separately back to the dump valve area to be dumped so it doesn't go into the recirc air.
The cabin overhead bins are massive as well and seem to have a sensible realistic weight limit on them.
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So what's the EU doing about it? We're fully paid-up members. Question asked some pages back but conspicuously not answered other than to be diverted to an irrelevant debate on which parts of UK voted for Brexit.
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Probably viewing this as a test of NAFTA see how Canada react. It is thanks to a United Europe that Boeing has to share half the market with Airbus. On the regional jet end of the spectrum, one of the original launch customers for the RJX was badly let down when the project was cancelled. Next port of call was Bombardier. Personnel were already training on the CRJ when that deal fell through. Reason? Embraer had made that European airline an offer they couldn’t refuse.
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The Lockheed Constellation, Convair 240 series, Martin 404, DC4 and DC6 all made substantial (for the time) sales, and swept round the world. Only the UK had any other volume production of airliners at the time.
Boeing only produced small numbers of airliners between 1940 and the 707 in 1958, concentrating on military in that time.
As we are in the process of leaving would you expect them to go all out. I would not, they will keep their firepower for member states
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As the CS is just as much competition to airbus as it is to Boeing and they have enough issues with what to do after Brexit I suspect they will do absolutely nothing.
I doubt very much if the headline amount will occur....
great advertising though for the CS series. I am sure boeing getting its knickers in a twist over it will actually generate sales because people will look at it seriously now instead of just looking at the A or B options.
I doubt very much if the headline amount will occur....
great advertising though for the CS series. I am sure boeing getting its knickers in a twist over it will actually generate sales because people will look at it seriously now instead of just looking at the A or B options.
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Now this was a passing comment which I may have wrong...
Apparently they have made the bogs negative pressure zones and the air is taken separately back to the dump valve area to be dumped so it doesn't go into the recirc air.
The cabin overhead bins are massive as well and seem to have a sensible realistic weight limit on them.
Apparently they have made the bogs negative pressure zones and the air is taken separately back to the dump valve area to be dumped so it doesn't go into the recirc air.
The cabin overhead bins are massive as well and seem to have a sensible realistic weight limit on them.
Nothing new here.
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Here's one for starters, that Boeing ruled out: Boeing hints at GTF 737 re-engining study
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Before entering production stage, a brand new B737 replacement has to be designed to the 21st century technology (FBW, better aerodynamics, larger windows, lighter materials, designed for modern process&tooling) and also to be certified to all new safety requirements introduced meanwhile, therefore multiple billions and years behind.
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Nothing Beoing couldn't do on a smaller airframe.
But we're talking about what the CSeries competes with today, not 5 years and 8-10 billion dollars down the line.
You don't think engine technology and economics matters as much to the market as the airframes that they hang off ?