Air China CA428 Near-Miss CFIT at take-off in HK
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Air China CA428 Near-Miss CFIT at take-off in HK
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Not the first time in that area: Shenzhen Airlines plane in near miss with Hong Kong's Big Buddha, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times
I also had flown on a mainland carrier whose FR24 track (after landing, in the dark) put us pretty much on top of the said statue and at a height just a few hundred feet above.
I also had flown on a mainland carrier whose FR24 track (after landing, in the dark) put us pretty much on top of the said statue and at a height just a few hundred feet above.
Way I hear it, Departure gave instruction "Climb FL130" and F/O heard "Fly heading 130" and dialed in the turn.
As you can hear from the recording linked in the original post, CA428's radio was not operating 5-by-5.
As you can hear from the recording linked in the original post, CA428's radio was not operating 5-by-5.
Way I hear it, Departure gave instruction "Climb FL130" and F/O heard "Fly heading 130" and dialed in the turn.
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Humpmedumpme ; in case you do not know ( but my guess is that you do ) Hong Kong ATC ( and CAA) are not operating and trained the same way as mainland PRC and they do not follow the same rules.
The generic R/T exchange you posted is unfortunately reflecting the current sate of affairs in the PRC , where the whole airspace is military . Chinese controllers ,like everywhere else on the globe , have to follow the rules imposed on them , and are as much frustrated as you do having to say " negative " all the time.
I have read t recently that there are intentions to take some airspace away from the military to extend the civil areas of responsibilities, but these are definitively political decisions which are not in the hands of ATC .
The generic R/T exchange you posted is unfortunately reflecting the current sate of affairs in the PRC , where the whole airspace is military . Chinese controllers ,like everywhere else on the globe , have to follow the rules imposed on them , and are as much frustrated as you do having to say " negative " all the time.
I have read t recently that there are intentions to take some airspace away from the military to extend the civil areas of responsibilities, but these are definitively political decisions which are not in the hands of ATC .
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I attended a Chinese CAA meeting for foreign carriers addressing the rapid growth in the airline sector. During this meeting a question was asked why various airways are blocked by the military. The CAA representative stated it was not military control of the airways rather it was the lack of English speaking Controllers to service that route.
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That remark is possibly true for expansion ( i.e opening new sectors or routes ) but does not stand when talking about releasing airspace around existing routes to allow proper efficient ATC and address safety related issues like CBs deviations.
The CAA representative stated it was not military control of the airways rather it was the lack of English speaking Controllers to service that route.
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There are many routes in China that foreign carriers are not allowed to fly on, because the controllers for those routes are not English speakers.
