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Lliane 5th Jun 2017 08:14

Air China CA428 Near-Miss CFIT at take-off in HK
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycqp6KYfyM

Air China flight has near miss with mountain on Hong Kong?s Lantau Island | South China Morning Post

brak 5th Jun 2017 19:29

Not the first time in that area: Shenzhen Airlines plane in near miss with Hong Kong's Big Buddha, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

I also had flown on a mainland carrier whose FR24 track (after landing, in the dark) put us pretty much on top of the said statue and at a height just a few hundred feet above.

Thaihawk 5th Jun 2017 20:13

Mainland Chinese carriers have had a remarkable run of luck, with no crashes for a number of years. This cannot last...........

Metro man 5th Jun 2017 23:41

China Southern alarmed ATC with an early turn towards a hill not too long ago.

cappt 6th Jun 2017 00:32

Wrong runway in the box?

pattern_is_full 6th Jun 2017 03:28

Way I hear it, Departure gave instruction "Climb FL130" and F/O heard "Fly heading 130" and dialed in the turn.

As you can hear from the recording linked in the original post, CA428's radio was not operating 5-by-5.

RoyHudd 6th Jun 2017 15:41

Safety Briefing? MSA/High Ground on departure? EGPWS? Did these come into play?

RAT 5 6th Jun 2017 18:31

S.A? ATC: "Say again?"

Capn Bloggs 7th Jun 2017 03:44


Way I hear it, Departure gave instruction "Climb FL130" and F/O heard "Fly heading 130" and dialed in the turn.
I wonder what the readback to ATC was... or is that your point, Rat?

Pontius 7th Jun 2017 05:01

Level 6 for all my friends!

bringbackthe80s 7th Jun 2017 12:07

Forget the english language, even if that's what they read back is there any justification for turning right towards a mountain?

oblivia 8th Jun 2017 05:11


Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 9795393)
Forget the english language, even if that's what they read back is there any justification for turning right towards a mountain?

Not a pilot, but I think the mountain is left. Forgive me if I've got my aviation terms confused...

MichaelKPIT 8th Jun 2017 12:32

I think 80's is using "right" as in "turning directly towards a mountain." They turned left but it was directly towards the mountain.

wongsuzie 8th Jun 2017 17:03

Briefing never cover MSA?

Anyhow fly.

ATC Watcher 9th Jun 2017 12:44

Humpmedumpme ; in case you do not know ( but my guess is that you do ) Hong Kong ATC ( and CAA) are not operating and trained the same way as mainland PRC and they do not follow the same rules.

The generic R/T exchange you posted is unfortunately reflecting the current sate of affairs in the PRC , where the whole airspace is military . Chinese controllers ,like everywhere else on the globe , have to follow the rules imposed on them , and are as much frustrated as you do having to say " negative " all the time.

I have read t recently that there are intentions to take some airspace away from the military to extend the civil areas of responsibilities, but these are definitively political decisions which are not in the hands of ATC .

bpp 10th Jun 2017 03:10

I attended a Chinese CAA meeting for foreign carriers addressing the rapid growth in the airline sector. During this meeting a question was asked why various airways are blocked by the military. The CAA representative stated it was not military control of the airways rather it was the lack of English speaking Controllers to service that route.

Toruk Macto 10th Jun 2017 04:11

There are more English speakers in china than India now .

ATC Watcher 10th Jun 2017 05:23

bpp :

The CAA representative stated it was not military control of the airways rather it was the lack of English speaking Controllers to service that route.
That remark is possibly true for expansion ( i.e opening new sectors or routes ) but does not stand when talking about releasing airspace around existing routes to allow proper efficient ATC and address safety related issues like CBs deviations.

A340Yumyum 1st Jul 2017 22:06


Originally Posted by Toruk Macto (Post 9798089)
There is more English speakers in china than India now .

There 'are'

atpcliff 1st Jul 2017 23:32

There are many routes in China that foreign carriers are not allowed to fly on, because the controllers for those routes are not English speakers.


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