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Old 12th Apr 2017, 12:55
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Originally Posted by slats11

Surprising that some pilots are rushing to suggest they would accept responsibility for this and that they are in charge and nothing happens without their consent....... Because any sensible person would run as far and fast as possible from any responsibility for this disaster.
Quite - for all the John Wayne types around here declaring that their decision is Law I suspect the Captain involved here will be running away from this fiasco as fast as possible screaming 'nothing to do with me guv'

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this has been quite a hot topic for discussion at work.

What I find disturbing about all of this is that some of those condoning the actions that day are quite possibly involved with the training and mentoring of airline staff or indeed in none airline industries that have an interface with the public. That is a worrying thought.

I have yet to see ANY justification for what occurred and will be interested to follow this story to its conclusion; I have a feeling that may take a while.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 12:57
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Well, it took him a while, but it looks as though he got there.

Lets hope some of the posters on this thread catch up with him.
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Yes, one wonders why those words could not have been uttered 24 hrs ago....
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So the CEO of UA said the following on TV...

"to remove a booked, paid seated passenger, we can't do that."

Mr Munoz was asked if Mr Dao was at fault.

He said: "No. He can't be. He was a paying passenger sitting on our seat in our aircraft and no one should be treated that way. Period."


Case closed... Time to settle the monetary side of things with the doctor.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:03
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29 pages in, can we finally agree that our passengers deserve first and foremost to be treated like human beings?!
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Time to settle the monetary side of things with the doctor.
Two or three digit?
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And here is the other side of the story:

https://thepilotwifelife.wordpress.c...t-flight-3411/
The wife should just shut up and go back to her kitchen!
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:06
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Bit harsh but she certainly is off track......
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United now admits that this flight was NOT "overbooked."
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"Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this," he wrote. "While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right."
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The chief executive paused.
He said: "No. He can't be. He was a paying passenger sitting on our seat in our aircraft and no one should be treated that way. Period."
My, what a difference a day makes........
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To all those on this thread that argued the passenger was in the wrong; you lose! The CEO has caved. Pax wins
The power of the camera phone is amazing.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:13
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...and if he had just walked off the aircraft as he was unfairly asked to do, he would have been a day late to work and UAL would have comped him a few hundred $$ and carried on treating their customers as freight. The Dr has done us all a service and airline policy will change for the better and we can all stop being treated as mugs.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
Two or three digit?
My bet is it will not go to court because UA will lose big time according to most lawyers interviewed on this subject.

UA will settle out of court for millions of dollars again according to lawyers.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:16
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In fairness, the CEO may have initially got a slightly distorted account of events. Anyone who tried to CYA and leave his exposed may be feeling nervous right now.

From the outset he did say they would investigate what happened. 24 hours later he has given quite a different interview, apologised, and stated this will never happen again.

What more could he have reasonably done. Some years ago, this would have been good. The pace of social media and the 24/7 news cycle today makes it very hard to get out in front of a bad story. We could all look clumsy in similar circumstances.
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Mr. Muņoz caved in by the power of money i.e. UA shareholders. As we all know money talks, camera phones...
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Not overbooked, check.
Next question.
Was the jumpseat full. Ie used by the DH crew or not.
If not, we are looking at a somewhat silly mistake.
So , again , anyone. Does United demand DH crew to have PAX seat or do they also use Jump seat.

Anyone from United please inform us of Company SOP.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4
My bet is it will not go to court because UA will lose big time according to most lawyers interviewed on this subject.
UA will settle out of court for millions of dollars again according to lawyers.
In some ways a shame, it would be good to see the matter tested in Court. I guess if United offer enough $$$$s Dr Dao will just walk away a much richer man. Probably be able to charter a biz jet when ever he flies in future....
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:22
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Originally Posted by HEMS driver
United now admits that this flight was NOT "overbooked."
Yes, finally they admit it! However we already knew that and thus the argument this passenger could not be removed from the flight because he was already aboard and seated.
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Old 12th Apr 2017, 13:34
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Originally Posted by slats11
In fairness, the CEO may have initially got a slightly distorted account of events. Anyone who tried to CYA and leave his exposed may be feeling nervous right now.

From the outset he did say they would investigate what happened. 24 hours later he has given quite a different interview, apologised, and stated this will never happen again.

What more could he have reasonably done. Some years ago, this would have been good. The pace of social media and the 24/7 news cycle today makes it very hard to get out in front of a bad story. We could all look clumsy in similar circumstances.
Actually, no.

Day 1 - We are very concerned and will investigate.
Day 2 - The passenger was belligerent and I support what our employees did.
Day 3 - Mea culpa, mea culpa, we were wrong...
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