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EASA after Brexit, a new worldwide ICAO dynamic ?

Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:06
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Snoop EASA after Brexit, a new worldwide ICAO dynamic ?

Coming back to basics and common way to flight safety ?
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:09
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EASA and the EU are NOT the same so Brexit should not make any difference.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:17
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.. whilst I partly agree, I note that the very first words after "UK CAA" on my pilot's licence are "EUROPEAN UNION" ..

No difference? Hmm...
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:18
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They are not the same, however to be in EASA one requires to be in the EU, any state can adopt EASA, the EU 'makes the rules', Brits will not like that one bit
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I thought UK CAA didn't follow EASA much like all other aspects between UK and EU.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:29
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Would we go back to CAP 371 ?
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 11:59
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Don't panic, it's only the day after the vote! At least two years to go before actual exit! Lots of time for common sense to prevail. I'd bet on some kind of arrangement being made for the UK to stay within the EASA, or at least for the CAA to have a sensible working relationship with it.

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Old 24th Jun 2016, 12:48
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No problem for UK to stay with EASA, just like Norway or Switzerland. They just don't get a seat at the table.

You want to play in our playground? Then you play by our rules.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 13:29
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CAP371 about pilots' fatigue and rest ?
Of course, why do we need the same rules in Norwey or Greece where climate and length of day are so different, in UK with Tea time or Italy with espresso ?
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 13:34
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No problem for UK to stay with EASA, just like Norway or Switzerland. They just don't get a seat at the table.
maybe like Annex 13 under ICAO rules, one can opt out of what you don't like, heck the FAR/JARS were like that for ages
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In addition to Groundloop's response, I would add that EASA and flight safety are not the same, as witnessed with the new FTLs.

Notapilot, the UK us a full member of EASA. Whether that changes depends on the UK government, but it doesn't have to leave - as others said, EASA and the EU are not the same thing, and the UK followed all aspects of EU membership except the currency, which is why so many people are fed up with it (just like a hell of a lot of other Europeans). UK adherence to EU dictat was enforced far more rigorously and unfairly than anyone else's, so your idea that we didn't follow the rules is very, very mistaken.
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maybe like Annex 13 under ICAO rules, one can opt out of what you don't like
?? Annex 13 is Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation
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How can it be any worse?
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
EASA and the EU are NOT the same so Brexit should not make any difference.
With respect... You`ve posted that same statement on two threads -- even after being corrected the first time. EASA is an AGENCY of the EU. Just like ICAO is an AGENCY of the United Nations.
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Old 24th Jun 2016, 17:44
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CAP371 o yes please, back to factorisation of sectors over 7 hours, might as well bring back Flight Engineers whilst we"re at it.
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Perhaps BALPA might find a cause to benefit all UK pilots and launch a campaign - the reintroduction of CAP371 and the consignment of EASA FTLs to the dustbin of Euro......oops, UK aviation history.
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Old 25th Jun 2016, 01:02
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Goodbye to Eu261 and the parasite law firms that make a living from it.
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Old 25th Jun 2016, 03:31
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I don't know which rules UK CAA is following but BA is grinding down efficiencies a lot. Information about its technical diversions is bare minimum i.e, "it is a technical diversion" and public need not know more than that is a standard response. I hope UK CAA still has full control of the situation.
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For N reg pilots based in Europe and the ridiculous dual licence requirements I wonder what effect if any this will have
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I'm a two licence holder flying two different G registered aircraft (Annex II and EASA). I wonder what will happen now?
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