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roulishollandais 24th Jun 2016 10:06

EASA after Brexit, a new worldwide ICAO dynamic ?
 
Coming back to basics and common way to flight safety ?

Groundloop 24th Jun 2016 10:09

EASA and the EU are NOT the same so Brexit should not make any difference.

UK019 24th Jun 2016 10:17

.. whilst I partly agree, I note that the very first words after "UK CAA" on my pilot's licence are "EUROPEAN UNION" ..

No difference? Hmm...

Leg 24th Jun 2016 10:18

They are not the same, however to be in EASA one requires to be in the EU, any state can adopt EASA, the EU 'makes the rules', Brits will not like that one bit :=

notapilot15 24th Jun 2016 10:19

I thought UK CAA didn't follow EASA much like all other aspects between UK and EU.

v812 24th Jun 2016 10:29

Would we go back to CAP 371 ?

OldLurker 24th Jun 2016 10:59

Don't panic, it's only the day after the vote! At least two years to go before actual exit! Lots of time for common sense to prevail. I'd bet on some kind of arrangement being made for the UK to stay within the EASA, or at least for the CAA to have a sensible working relationship with it.

ExXB 24th Jun 2016 11:48

No problem for UK to stay with EASA, just like Norway or Switzerland. They just don't get a seat at the table.

You want to play in our playground? Then you play by our rules.

roulishollandais 24th Jun 2016 12:29

CAP371 about pilots' fatigue and rest ?
Of course, why do we need the same rules in Norwey or Greece where climate and length of day are so different, in UK with Tea time or Italy with espresso ?

lomapaseo 24th Jun 2016 12:34


No problem for UK to stay with EASA, just like Norway or Switzerland. They just don't get a seat at the table.
maybe like Annex 13 under ICAO rules, one can opt out of what you don't like, heck the FAR/JARS were like that for ages

Aluminium shuffler 24th Jun 2016 14:17

In addition to Groundloop's response, I would add that EASA and flight safety are not the same, as witnessed with the new FTLs.

Notapilot, the UK us a full member of EASA. Whether that changes depends on the UK government, but it doesn't have to leave - as others said, EASA and the EU are not the same thing, and the UK followed all aspects of EU membership except the currency, which is why so many people are fed up with it (just like a hell of a lot of other Europeans). UK adherence to EU dictat was enforced far more rigorously and unfairly than anyone else's, so your idea that we didn't follow the rules is very, very mistaken.

212man 24th Jun 2016 14:29


maybe like Annex 13 under ICAO rules, one can opt out of what you don't like
?? Annex 13 is Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation

LLuCCiFeR 24th Jun 2016 15:08

How can it be any worse?

grizzled 24th Jun 2016 15:30


Originally Posted by Groundloop (Post 9418490)
EASA and the EU are NOT the same so Brexit should not make any difference.

With respect... You`ve posted that same statement on two threads -- even after being corrected the first time. EASA is an AGENCY of the EU. Just like ICAO is an AGENCY of the United Nations.

Twiglet1 24th Jun 2016 16:44

CAP371 o yes please, back to factorisation of sectors over 7 hours, might as well bring back Flight Engineers whilst we"re at it.

judge11 24th Jun 2016 21:15

Perhaps BALPA might find a cause to benefit all UK pilots and launch a campaign - the reintroduction of CAP371 and the consignment of EASA FTLs to the dustbin of Euro......oops, UK aviation history.

tubby linton 25th Jun 2016 00:02

Goodbye to Eu261 and the parasite law firms that make a living from it.

notapilot15 25th Jun 2016 02:31

Aluminium Shuffler

I don't know which rules UK CAA is following but BA is grinding down efficiencies a lot. Information about its technical diversions is bare minimum i.e, "it is a technical diversion" and public need not know more than that is a standard response. I hope UK CAA still has full control of the situation.

Pace 25th Jun 2016 06:53

For N reg pilots based in Europe and the ridiculous dual licence requirements I wonder what effect if any this will have

Sloppy Link 25th Jun 2016 07:14

I'm a two licence holder flying two different G registered aircraft (Annex II and EASA). I wonder what will happen now?


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