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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:37
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Methersgate, well said! The bulletproof doors were imposed on the industry as a knee jerk to one catastrophic event. While they solved one issue they created another. Let's resist the temptation for another knee jerk response to this awful situation.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:41
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Apparently they have the MCP settings from the Mode S- extended squitter (ES). Wow.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:44
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this industry is upside down

a 28yr old with 600TT and 100 A320SIC...has no business being in the cockpit of the germanwings 320...when I got to his position at a US airline I had well over 10,000 hours and pushing 40+. Heard ryanair had a 18yr old f/o...ladies and gentlemen we need mature, experienced, stable people flying this type of aircraft PERIOD.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:46
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deep-and-fast If things are as they currently appear to be based on what's being reported about the FOs alleged depression and whether this is the result of working conditions and finances related to becoming a commercial pilot , I would hope that EASA would also be interviewed as they have categorically denied in the past that there are any negative safety implications whatsoever with LCC business models.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:46
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No credibillity

CNN is reporting that the Government of France has formally requested the American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to assist with the Germanwings investigation.
Why on earth would a German airline, flying a European aircraft from Spain, that crashed in France, ask for the FBI to be involved?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:47
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Henra..."Unlock the door for the Captain to enter the FD?"

I would imagine after inputs are entered and the a/c is descending the co-pilot would have time to incapacitate a c/c member, or maybe not, the security (denial of entry button/switch as posted previously) would not allow the c/c member to open the f/d door.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:48
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It wouldn't be the first accident where industrial action was a contributing factor

My best mate was killed in Papa India - two days before an all out strike.
We were half trained because of a work to rule and held illegal licences.

The atmosphere was terrible, not only for us second officers but also for a few captains who tried to stand up to management.

Some were sacked, others were bullied.

The inquiry was a joke but not unlike those held by the British Empire, before or since, where corporate amnesia was a factor.

The industrial action was suspended....we still had rubbish terms and conditions...and we kept crashing aircraft.

The bean counters never learn as they don't have to take the risk.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:48
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"The pilots have been the focus of the investigation from the outset, yet Germanwings' parent company Lufthansa refused for 48 hours to release their identities, not even their age or nationalities."- Daily Mail today

Yes-as did another pilot forum in their infinite wisdom even when it became clear where matters were going.
There is censorship-then there is stupidity.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:50
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630 hours? not that that has anything to do with sanity, but that surprises me.

even though I believe many politicians are stupid, I don't believe any would be stupid enough to announce this without unassailable evidence, and yes, it is just possible they know more than we do.

and that they are not telling everything they know.

in fact, i believe its a certainty.

they would ask the fbi for help because (according to cnn) the co-pilot was trained in arizona.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:53
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Originally Posted by dazdaz1 View Post
I would imagine after inputs are entered and the a/c is descending the co-pilot would have time to incapacitate a c/c member, or maybe not, the security (denial of entry button/switch as posted previously) would not allow the c/c member to open the f/d door.
He would just need to switch to 'Unlock' and the door would be unlocked.

People who commit suicide by indirect means (throwing themselves in front of Trains, driving into opposite traffic, etc.) are usually not 'murderers' by type in the sense of that they would be capable of knocking someone down directly. It is a huge difference to kill/incapacitate someone physically versus turning a few Switches and wait for something incomprehensible from that you only know that it will be so quick that it won't hurt.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:53
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If you can hear the co-pilot clicking the door lock button, that is direct evidence.

If you could hear him in an anxious state breathing heavily as I imagine someone in the process of murder would be ... that would also be direct evidence.

Otherwise it is all imagination.
Perhaps people like to imagine that life is a big disaster movie.
Rather the mundane truth that accidents happen.

A number of planes have gone down recently with no-one found responsible ... it is starting to look like no-one is really in control and life is precarious.

And maybe that is simply the truth.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:56
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FLYING OFFICER KITE - Not sure I agree with your thesis that all ex miltary types are more stable. Just remind, me what was the background of the captain who took off his trousers at the BHX security gate, and then was subsequently fired for carrying PAX on the flight deck against the SOPs post 9/11.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:57
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FBI

There is a picture of the guy with the Golden Gate Bridge in the background. Maybe they just want the FBI to look into any of his activities while in the US.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 15:58
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So, it is possible the door jammed and the pilot WAS incap. Seems unlikely but how often is it the confluence of events not one that is responsible for this type of thing.
Captain Kremin in two posts, 25/03 @ 0739 and 25/03 @ 19h20 (pp 27 & 41 at the moment) prior to today's announcement presented an argument based a set of known facts which which would not support the incapacitation theory.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 16:01
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As a matter of law, concluding that a pilot is a murderer is wrong, but disclosing facts that strongly suggested that the pilot is a murderer is perfectly legitimate. It is for the courts to make these kinds of conclusions... preferably after a trial.
As a matter of French law, there's not going to be a trial. What punishment could they impose?

In this case, disclosing as much information as is known, as early as possible, is a kindness to the relatives. They know their loved ones are dead; what they want are explanations.

As do we all, I suggest.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 16:02
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Or he is entering the wrong code
The Lufthansa CEO said that even the flight attendants know this code.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 16:04
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It's such a shame how things have necessarily changed though. I can remember when I was younger, the cockpit doors would often be wide open, you could peek your head in after using the forward toilet and sometimes the friendly crew would have a little chat with you. Different times. Hard to crack this one though.....if you have to go, you have to go, and you don't want to go down the road of GA-style porta-urinals.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 16:06
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Those locked doors have now killed more people than they have saved.
Can you share the figures with us?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 16:06
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Rideforrever....."If you could hear him in an anxious state breathing heavily as I imagine someone in the process of murder would be ... that would also be direct evidence".
Get a grip.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 16:08
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100 hrs SIC on A320? How long was he with GW? Hardly over worked at 100hr/m.

If he was on an hourly contract then he could have been under severe pressure.
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