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I'm no pilot, but have driven big equipment with many wheels & tires. Not the same, but I can see how it is not unbelievable to think the pilots had no knowledge of the flats.
I remember when PPRuNe was actually discussions among professional pilots.
No wonder I hardly ever log on anymore.
You do not do the site justice, it is very informative.
This particular discussion has made explicit that there is no mandatory tire monitoring even on fairly modern wide bodies, that a crew has no simple way to find out if their running gear is healthy and that a 767 will roll on its rims quite readily.
One can perhaps assume the tires were intact for much of the runout, as the anti skid system would probably have had difficulties otherwise. Still, it would help to know where along the runway the tire debris were found.
No wonder I hardly ever log on anymore.
You do not do the site justice, it is very informative.
This particular discussion has made explicit that there is no mandatory tire monitoring even on fairly modern wide bodies, that a crew has no simple way to find out if their running gear is healthy and that a 767 will roll on its rims quite readily.
One can perhaps assume the tires were intact for much of the runout, as the anti skid system would probably have had difficulties otherwise. Still, it would help to know where along the runway the tire debris were found.
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Whoever managed to blow four wheels on landing do not be surprised for any stupid action he or she did during taxi.
Even the most horrible landing is no guarantee of blowing 1 tire, let alone 4.
Anti skid failure with auto brakes selected would do it however, not sure you can blame the flight crew for that?
If the crew had known, or had any indication of the above tire failure, they would surely have stopped, called for the fire trucks and then stair-trucks to get the pax off the airplane.
They would not have gotten extra points for taxing on the rims to the gate
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You have no idea what further damage you could do to the aircraft threatening the lives of the of all on board. Chances are nil but this was stupid. They knew if they had to apply an abnormal amount of thrust and felt the drag to the failed side.
"You have no idea what further damage you could do to the aircraft threatening the lives of the of all on board. Chances are nil but this was stupid. They knew if they had to apply an abnormal amount of thrust and felt the drag to the failed side. "
Hey techie,
Feel free to add yourself to the list of those that should back it down a notch until the facts are known.
Do you happen to have the N1 numbers it took to taxi on that shredded truck vs 4 normal tires? I'd love to have them for future reference.
Hey techie,
Feel free to add yourself to the list of those that should back it down a notch until the facts are known.
Do you happen to have the N1 numbers it took to taxi on that shredded truck vs 4 normal tires? I'd love to have them for future reference.
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Towerdog,
Some years ago I recall a QF 767 blew a number of tyres and taxied to the gate to then be followed by an emergency evac (at the gate with slides). Does anyone remember how many blew?
Quite a number of years earlier I recall a 727 doing crew training touch and go's out of MEL. They blew 2 tyres on the same gear, punched holes in the fuel cell, flaps, spoilers and took out most of the brake lines (the hydraulics were saved by the brake de-boosters). The only reason the crew aborted the take-off was because they couldn't read the airspeed correctly due to the intense vibration as they started to accelerate.
This aircraft taxied to the gate; the brakes, wheels and axle sort of all became one when it stopped.
As stated by a number of posters you probably wouldn't notice the change in angular reference; but there would be other signs.
Some years ago I recall a QF 767 blew a number of tyres and taxied to the gate to then be followed by an emergency evac (at the gate with slides). Does anyone remember how many blew?
Quite a number of years earlier I recall a 727 doing crew training touch and go's out of MEL. They blew 2 tyres on the same gear, punched holes in the fuel cell, flaps, spoilers and took out most of the brake lines (the hydraulics were saved by the brake de-boosters). The only reason the crew aborted the take-off was because they couldn't read the airspeed correctly due to the intense vibration as they started to accelerate.
This aircraft taxied to the gate; the brakes, wheels and axle sort of all became one when it stopped.
As stated by a number of posters you probably wouldn't notice the change in angular reference; but there would be other signs.
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You have no idea what further damage you could do to the aircraft threatening the lives of the of all on board. Chances are nil but this was stupid. They knew if they had to apply an abnormal amount of thrust and felt the drag to the failed side.
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You have no idea what further damage you could do to the aircraft threatening the lives of the of all on board. Chances are nil but this was stupid. They knew if they had to apply an abnormal amount of thrust and felt the drag to the failed side.
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I was not, so I don't know what indications they had.
That being said, I had the same happen on 747-200 in Accra, blew a bunch of tires on landing due to anti-skid failure but we did not feel a thing.
(Yeah, more wheels and tires, but still, playing Monday Morning Quarterback and hanging the crew with no inside info is a bit stupid. Let's wait for the accident report, then we can piss all over them if indeed they were wreck less and not qualified to do their job)
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playing Monday Morning Quarterback and hanging the crew with no inside info is a bit stupid.
Some years ago I recall a QF 767 blew a number of tyres and taxied to the gate to then be followed by an emergency evac (at the gate with slides). Does anyone remember how many blew?
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Moving away during the first moments following push back in a DC10, I felt a slight bump......Called the ramp engineers back on company frequency to discover ONE tyre only burst or sudden deflate on plug. Can't remember reason, but glad we didn't continue.........unlike DC8 freighter we followed for departure at DXB one night. Half way down the runway on take off, the underside in flames. Crew escaped on ropes. I think the emergency services coped well, and later, bits of trashed tyres found on taxiway between terminal and holding point. ( we didn't spot them ). One night ( dark again ) was doing outside check on BAC 1-11 on ramp not that far from runway, when same thing on a DC9. ( Pula, I think ) Take off ( park brake still set? ).....late abort when gear and underside well alight. Don't recall any slides deploying, but before long people jumping out in a hurry whilst being squirted with foam. Never forget one person jumping off wing and passing through what I think was a hole burnt in the trailing edge flap. Evacuation appeared a bit chaotic. However, from what I could see, nobody seriously hurt, but a lot of frightened and confused people wondering around covered in foam . I packed in flying big aeroplanes in 2004, but I seem to recall that the 744 was the only aircraft where you could monitor the main wheels. I suppose that now on your fancy new Airbuses etc., you can display what's left of the tyre tread, and where the canvas is poking through.......
Our 767 200's and -400's had BTMS which we could monitor on EICAS,
Curious, does any aircraft have tire temperature and / or tire pressure readouts in the cockpit ?
Curious, does any aircraft have tire temperature and / or tire pressure readouts in the cockpit ?
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Curious, does any aircraft have tire temperature and / or tire pressure readouts in the cockpit ?