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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 19th Dec 2018, 22:17
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LGW currently “shut for the foreseeable” thanks to a drone - lots of diversions/holding going on. Shoot the drone down (& the idiot controlling it).
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 03:39
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I have just looked at the Gatwick arrivals website and it appears in excess of 21 flights have diverted.

In view of the seriousness of this event it would be interesting to know how these drones were reported/seen, especially at night.

One would hope that the threat was real and, if so, the culprits are caught.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 05:18
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Numerous people saw them including a crew taxiing for take off, I also believe their are a couple of videos going around.

updated: https://www.airlive.net/breaking-lon...ose-to-runway/
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 06:36
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I’m here at North Terminal departures waiting for my flight to awfully it has not been cancelled .......yet. Do feel for hundreds if not thousands of pax queuing up here .

Wtf is happening ....is it a bunch of young or old morons who think this is a game or something more sinister ...to disrupt air traffic .....

If there was a time for this.counter drone drone (this one I saw at Helitech which fires a net to catch the adversary in mid air), it’s needed now.


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Old 20th Dec 2018, 06:51
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Just seen this video: Drones Over Gatwick
Not flying over, but hovering over Gatwick and well lit to be seen. No 'accident' there, clearly a deliberate, planned event.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 06:59
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Originally Posted by 2dPilot View Post
Just seen this video: Drones Over Gatwick
Not flying over, but hovering over Gatwick and well lit to be seen. No 'accident' there, clearly a deliberate, planned event.
Looks like the standard poor quality UFO video but even so TBH to my eyes the bright moving white light in that video looks more likely to be from a (?police) helicopter than a drone.

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Old 20th Dec 2018, 07:20
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I wonder when we are going to be told this is a well planned protest by environmentalists! I am just wondering if the airport has been warned of the drones by the operators, and it closed by NOTAM, can it be a case of endangering aircraft? However the flight of a drone within the ATZ clearly is an offence if they can find the offender.

I would say the problems of drones at public gatherings, prisons and airports if police firearms units and transport police had shotguns within their armory. But the trouble with this, being what I believe a protest, will be multiple launches of drones.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 08:30
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From SkyNews a couple of minutes ago, so they're still there;

"Gatwick COO tells me ‘there is a drone on my airfield right now’, calls it an ‘irresponsible act’ that’s affected at least 10,000 people #GatwickAirport


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Old 20th Dec 2018, 08:34
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Re the video posted here , as said before it indeed looks more like an helicopter than a drone , ,
also this morning from the LGW web site :
"We also have the helicopter up in the air but the police advice us that it would be dangerous to seek to shoot the drone down because of what may happen to the stray bullets."
Anyway I think more to this story than just spotting a couple of drones. Time will tell .
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:04
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Something doesn't ring right about all this.
The airport was shut last night at 21:00
This morning at 9:00 the airport director states "there is still a drone over the airport"
Where's the video of this?
Why can't NPAS film it, ID the type?
Wait for it to return home?
How big is the battery...
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:06
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I seem to recall that Dutch police were training birds of prey to catch drones. This was back in 2016, so would of thought that this could be one method to get the airport back in business.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:17
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The obvious solution is for the airport to hire a commercial operator to fly another drone into the one that's being flown.

I strongly suspect it's operating on a pre-programmed GPS flight path. I doubt the 'operators' are anywhere in the vicinity, although they could be anywhere in a large search radius.

If it has a camera on board, it'll be underneath, leaving a huge blind spot. All the other drone has to do is descend upon the target from above, interfere with one of the props & the errant quad will be downed in seconds. No need for bullets or complicated net delivery systems. It really is that simple. I'm amazed no one's thought of this already. Even if the controlled drone is damaged beyond repair in the process, it's only a few hundred quid, instead of tens of thousands spent on diversions & passenger accommodation.

The propellors on most of these are pretty fragile. If the drone being taken down demonstrates any evasive manoeuvres that must mean the operator is within sight of it, meaning they could be apprehended. And if the downed unit is recovered, it'll have GPS log data onboard - including where it took off from.

I'm glad I sold mine several years ago!
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:23
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Originally Posted by WestofEMA View Post
I seem to recall that Dutch police were training birds of prey to catch drones. This was back in 2016, so would of thought that this could be one method to get the airport back in business.
And they stopped the project a year later...
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:28
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Originally Posted by TheEdge View Post
something is not right here....not an expert but i find quite difficult that a drone can fly for hours over an aiprot without drain out of battery, or that a decent video from any bypasser is caught.
A news report I listened to early this morning (which admittedly I haven't heard repeated since) stated that there were "several" drones flying over the airfield which made me wonder if whoever is doing this has at least two units so that one is always on charge ready to take over from one returning with a low battery.

The news is currently saying the Police have 20 units out looking for those responsible but that's going to be a real needle in a haystack search unless they get lucky - the controller could quite literally be miles away from the airport, sat on a hill somewhere, in a car, in an outbuilding etc. They might never be found.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:36
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Originally Posted by GeeRam View Post
It's time though......how long after a drone appeared overhead would it be before said commercial operator could be on site?

But, maybe a case for having some drones at each airport on 'QRA' and have some of the airside ground staff that do the bird scare duties cross-trained in drone operation, could easily keep one at the ready in the duty vehicles....??
I kept my P3 in a fitted flightcase. Smaller than an average suitcase, and could also hold several battery packs. One could be up in the air within seconds, especially if kept calibrated & stored with the props already screwed on. This whole mess could have been dealt with there and then. I'm amazed it's been allowed to carry on this long!

And now the effects are gaining publicity, expect copycat attacks...
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:40
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In the wrong hands they are lethal weapons - even outside an aerodrome control zone, would you want to be clumped on the head by an object up to 7 Kg falling from the sky ? The same principles that govern gun ownership, proprietry software registration (With licensee information exchange with the authorities) and the restrictive elements of planning law should apply i.e. local authority declared usuage zone(s).

I understand that in extreme circumstances mortar radars, and IR are very good for detection and Gatekeeper is bloody excellent at downing this sort of stuff.

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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:47
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Sky News reporting that one of the drones is a heavy industrial drone, not an off the shelf model,
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:05
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Sadly this seems to be a deliberate act, an environmental protest or something else to disrupt a major airport. Attaching the lights was to attract attention.
This incident has infuriated many responsible drones owners whether for business or pleasure who abide by the rules and fly responsibly.

Hopefully, the culprits will be caught, the cost to the airlines and the airports if horrific but if I were a passenger who has been affected I would seek redress via the small claims court against whoever is responsible. A few thousand claims for lost business or inconvenience will make others think twice.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:15
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The environmental protest group Extinction Rebellion have a day of protest planned in London for the 18th of December. I wonder if there is a connection?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:47
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So a group of say five anarchists could spend about three thousand pounds on "drones" and close Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead, Luton and Birmingham for half a day. This would suggest that there is a global market for anti-drone technology.

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