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Old 7th Sep 2015, 23:17
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Do you have to wait for somebody to die before you ban something that has obvious potential hazards to large numbers of life?
Do you mean private small planes carrying two or more people ploughing into an orphanage?
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Yes, of course that's what I meant.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 06:31
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Originally Posted by lilflyboy262...2
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Do you have to wait for somebody to die before you ban something that has obvious potential hazards to large numbers of life?
I'm going to take the liberty of rephrasing your question for clarity.

"Should scientists wait for evidence to back up a scientific theory, or should they proceed on an assumption that flies in the face of years of empirical observation"
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 06:53
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Incidentally, I'll lay my cards on the table.


If a drone takes out an airliner tomorrow, I still don't think they should be banned.

All new (and in fact old) technologies have accidents.

That is part of the path of life.

Planes kill people.
Cars kill people.
Nuclear power stations kill people.
Coal fire power stations kill people.
Knives kill people.
Trains kill people.
Lawnmowers kill people.
Footballs kill people.
Trousers kill people. (go read the ONS report!)
Ladders kill people.
Pets kill people.

Drones will, eventually, kill some people.

So what?

Nothing is all good or all bad. (except Morris Dancing. It has no redeeming features)
Drones have the potential to revolutionise many areas of life and I think society will look back and laugh at the current luddites.

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Tourist:
(except Morris Dancing. It has no redeeming features)
I know you were joking, but in this context morris dancing does have a redeeming feature: it very rarely kills people.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 09:11
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Originally Posted by OldLurker
Tourist:I know you were joking, but in this context morris dancing does have a redeeming feature: it very rarely kills people.
More often than toy drones then....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1478668/

Isn't google great......
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 09:27
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Tourist you forgot one:

Life kills people.
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Life kills people.
Aaah, life; the ultimate terminal disease.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 14:51
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The Swarm

Better watch out if this one ever gets out of ground effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JgnMJzCtQ
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Herod
Aaah, life; the ultimate terminal disease.
I believe being born is the number one cause of dying
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 21:00
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The Swarm

This fellow needs a orange "hi vis" vest so you can see him on short final.
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 00:06
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i dont think a drone and a commercial aircraft will do much, if anything, as for nuclear power, well, only 15 world wide... others have died from cancers, but at a rate no worse than the gloabl average..

back to drones, they are very light compared to an equivelent sized bird, they are a plastic housing, with a few small circuit boards, 4 small engines about the size of a few coins, and a battery.
in all seriouslness, i doubt they would cause more damage than a bird..
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Just that camera with lens is about 1600 grams, metal framed body. Sturdy enough to punch trough quite a lot......

Not all drones are created equal......
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And how many untrained idiots do you think have one of those as a toy?
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Looking at The Swarm video posted above, I can't help wondering what Paul Moller did with all that cash considering he never got past "tethered flight" stage with his "Skycar"... With this new technology droning on, it should be easy - the skycar is nothing more than a fancy quadcopter.
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Old 11th Sep 2015, 22:38
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link to article

Sorry for the late reply, I work in an area with extremely limited communications. Here is the link to the ISR drone crash in question. 3 Civilian Bodies Found from Afghan Crash - CBS News
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Ultralights
back to drones, they are very light compared to an equivelent sized bird, they are a plastic housing, with a few small circuit boards, 4 small engines about the size of a few coins, and a battery.
in all seriouslness, i doubt they would cause more damage than a bird..
A certain bird that is 9 or 10 cm long and 13 to 17 cm span weighs 9 to 13 g

A forthcoming iPhone weighs 193 g

OK, larger bird needed. 17 to 22 cm long, 30 to 40 cm span, 30 to 75 g weight

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Old 12th Sep 2015, 02:23
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Originally Posted by Jumpindan
Sorry for the late reply, I work in an area with extremely limited communications. Here is the link to the ISR drone crash in question. 3 Civilian Bodies Found from Afghan Crash - CBS News
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That crash was a ISR Kingair, not a drone. I see no mention of a drone being involved, and I would question what a C-12 would be doing in RVSM airspace over Afghan as you stated earlier.
I'm willing to accept its possible that it happened though but it is hardly relevant. A predator is a full size aircraft in a war zone that just happens to be unmanned. Hardly the same as toy quadcopters.

aox

I'm slightly confused as to what you are saying.
You are aware that there are 10kg birds on this planet?

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Old 12th Sep 2015, 02:53
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Originally Posted by Tourist
I'm slightly confused as to what you are saying.
You are aware that there are 10kg birds on this planet?
Of course. In fact by coincidence I recently mentioned the albatross in a now deleted post. Perhaps you saw it briefly.

I'm replying to a post asserting that for equivalent size a collection of a few circuit boards and battery etc is very light compared to a bird.

I gave a well-known example of some electronics that is 10 times heavier than about the same size bird and still over double the weight of a larger bird.

We could find other examples, such as quadcopter advertising that says 500 to 2000 gram payload plus its own weight on 4 x 10 inch rotors, but as a first approximation maybe the claim is a bit stretched much of the time.
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Old 12th Sep 2015, 02:56
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Ok, I fair enough.
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