Drones threatening commercial a/c?
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Seems to me we're pussy-footing round this issue. The drones that are causing all the grief are the toy ones. So, they're toys...no reason why they should not be made illegal. And illegal to fly an existing one without a licence....which is never forthcoming.
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. Enforcement of any rules is now close on impossible. Aviation is living on borrowed time - there will be a 'drone' manned aircraft mid-air sometime soon. Yet even then banning them will not be just a case of writing laws and regulations and demanding licensing. The people that will lose out here will be the conscientious model aero clubs.
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As far as the MAN incident goes, for anyone who knows the area, that would be somewhere near Woodbank Park, which makes sense.
That said what altitude can these things get to?
That said what altitude can these things get to?
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Trafi.fi - News - New aviation regulation on the use of unmanned aircraft and model aircraft - Trafi.fi - News - New aviation regulation on the use of unmanned aircraft and model aircraft
Finland has today introduced one of the most liberal aviation regulations in the world as regards the use of unmanned aircraft and flying models. The level of regulation depends on how the device is used. The requirements for model aircraft used for recreational purposes are significantly lighter than those for remotely piloted aircraft used professionally. On the other hand, professional operators may legally carry out such tasks that are not allowed for recreational flyers.
”Our brand new regulation on the use of unmanned aircraft is the most liberal in Europe, if not in the whole world. Right from the beginning, our goal has been to achieve as light a level of regulation as possible, and this has succeeded excellently in my opinion. The regulation leaves room for experiments and allows for the development of new business activities”, says Kari Wihlman, Director General at Trafi. ”We have wanted to pave the way for full-scale benefits to be gained from this new segment of aviation, and create opportunities for experimentation. It is particularly through tests and experiments that business activities can develop further.”
Finland has today introduced one of the most liberal aviation regulations in the world as regards the use of unmanned aircraft and flying models. The level of regulation depends on how the device is used. The requirements for model aircraft used for recreational purposes are significantly lighter than those for remotely piloted aircraft used professionally. On the other hand, professional operators may legally carry out such tasks that are not allowed for recreational flyers.
”Our brand new regulation on the use of unmanned aircraft is the most liberal in Europe, if not in the whole world. Right from the beginning, our goal has been to achieve as light a level of regulation as possible, and this has succeeded excellently in my opinion. The regulation leaves room for experiments and allows for the development of new business activities”, says Kari Wihlman, Director General at Trafi. ”We have wanted to pave the way for full-scale benefits to be gained from this new segment of aviation, and create opportunities for experimentation. It is particularly through tests and experiments that business activities can develop further.”
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WOULD THIS BE OF ANY HELP?
New technology could blast drones out of the sky - BT
Pity there isn't a similar portable device which would transmit pulses to ruin the "music" leaking from personal stereo deaf users!!
Pity there isn't a similar portable device which would transmit pulses to ruin the "music" leaking from personal stereo deaf users!!
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Disconnect the pilot from the aircraft mid-flight and without warning?
Can't see any potential for anything to go wrong there...
Of course, in the UK at least, deliberately causing interference to a radio user / service is against the law - even in licence exempt bands.
Can't see any potential for anything to go wrong there...
Of course, in the UK at least, deliberately causing interference to a radio user / service is against the law - even in licence exempt bands.
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Many drones have some sort of fail safe mode they enter if control lost. Some just hover in place, some can return to base and land others will just crash. I believe the idea behind the jammer is to temporarily put the drone into fail safe mode in the hope that the pilot will "get the message" something is wrong. In many cases just having the drone crash will still be better than allowing it to continue flying.
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Unless you can verify in advance that your target will fail in a safe way, that seems like an unacceptable level of risk. Remember, anyone can DIY a drone with relative ease these days and the market for commercial products gas exploded. You simply cannot rely on the features advertised by any particular manufacturer being present in the speck that you happen to be looking at in the sky.
I suspect that this technology would prove more useful in situations where collateral damage is deemed more tolerable than it is within yards of a civilian airport in peace time.
I may be wrong, but this sounds like defence equipment to me...
I suspect that this technology would prove more useful in situations where collateral damage is deemed more tolerable than it is within yards of a civilian airport in peace time.
I may be wrong, but this sounds like defence equipment to me...
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If the drone or multicopter is using hobby grade 2.4 then saturating the entire band would probably kill it.
A lot of 2.4 systems these days use frequency hopping, changing channel around every 100ms. This is used to ensure a robust RF link.
Probably not a great solution to the problem though....
A lot of 2.4 systems these days use frequency hopping, changing channel around every 100ms. This is used to ensure a robust RF link.
Probably not a great solution to the problem though....
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World's first drone airport
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Some of these posts are amusing.
There's pilots here that have dabbled with RC and have some authority or knowledge to back up their statements and opinions.
But on the other hand, there is a hell of a lot who don't. It's mildly refreshing to see pilots who criticise the less informed or knowledgeable when they make posts regarding types and SOPs with "You have no understanding, so your input is invalid" Yet they post misinformed comments here - the boot is on the other foot.
Not sure why, but that tickles me immensely
There's pilots here that have dabbled with RC and have some authority or knowledge to back up their statements and opinions.
But on the other hand, there is a hell of a lot who don't. It's mildly refreshing to see pilots who criticise the less informed or knowledgeable when they make posts regarding types and SOPs with "You have no understanding, so your input is invalid
" Yet they post misinformed comments here - the boot is on the other foot.Not sure why, but that tickles me immensely
US government to register all drones
All drones to be registered.
Wow, must be as dangerous as guns?? yet gun laws are not wholly effective in preventing them being used in anti social way.
U.S. government to announce drone registration rules on Monday - Fortune
May deter some from silly behaviour, but in general its not the law abiding that engauge in silly (or nefarious) behaviour.
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Wow, must be as dangerous as guns?? yet gun laws are not wholly effective in preventing them being used in anti social way.
U.S. government to announce drone registration rules on Monday - Fortune
May deter some from silly behaviour, but in general its not the law abiding that engauge in silly (or nefarious) behaviour.
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Still, regulators gotta regulate. And, to be fair, if you're flying something the size of a light aircraft, it should be treated as one. Hopefully there'll be a sane limit on the small end of the drone market, because the idea that every tourist is going to register their one-ounce selfie drone when they visit America is laughable.
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it should be treated as one. Hopefully there'll be a sane limit on the small end of the drone market, because the idea that every tourist is going to register their one-ounce selfie drone when they visit America is laughable.
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Registration in USA
U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx Announces Unmanned Aircraft Registration Requirement | Department of Transportation
Long and short, in November, a group of 'experts' will set the guidelines for registering all unmanned aircraft, even toys. We will see what happens. If the sign up goes like ACA (Obamacare), we will spend over a year after the red line (and this administration holds red lines very seriously) trying to make a wb site that works, while all your emails go to some private server in a closet that no one knows about except Snowden.
Seriously, between 1 and 5 reports a day of these things flying near commercial aircraft, air ambulances, or fire fighters.
Long and short, in November, a group of 'experts' will set the guidelines for registering all unmanned aircraft, even toys. We will see what happens. If the sign up goes like ACA (Obamacare), we will spend over a year after the red line (and this administration holds red lines very seriously) trying to make a wb site that works, while all your emails go to some private server in a closet that no one knows about except Snowden.
Seriously, between 1 and 5 reports a day of these things flying near commercial aircraft, air ambulances, or fire fighters.
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It would appear that no-one has any idea of how many of these drones/uas/toys are around. Most toy shops have a few dozen assorted radio controlled helicopters of around 2 ozs weight hobbyist model shops perhaps a hundred or so. So let's be conservative and say that there are 20 million of these drones/toys in the wild. I do not see how it is feasible to put together an organization that would need to be the size of the state DMVs to maintain a registry of these toys/UAS/drones. But I can see how this would appear to be extremely attractive to an empire building bureaucrat. 
Even if it were done - it will not stop someone flying a small radio controlled aircraft into the path of a manned aircraft. But efficacy is not one of the requirements of a bureaucratic registration system.
Even if it were done - it will not stop someone flying a small radio controlled aircraft into the path of a manned aircraft. But efficacy is not one of the requirements of a bureaucratic registration system.
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Since birds have a history of causing many plane crashes and drones have not the government would accomplish much more by installing a transponder on all birds before registering small drones. That would keep them busy for a while.
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Drone companies are doubling down on maps with safety in mind
A drone operator who has a DJI account — verified with a credit card or phone number — would be able to unlock the drone in a restricted area. This would allow a firefighter or otherwise authorized person to fly a drone near a wildfire.
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If an unauthorized user were to unlock their drone and fly in a restricted space, DJI would be able to help authorities track down the user.
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If an unauthorized user were to unlock their drone and fly in a restricted space, DJI would be able to help authorities track down the user.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ddress-safety/