Pilot's artificial arm 'became detached while landing plane'
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Just ask your passengers BEFORE the flight what they think about....
I WON'T fly in this case... It is not serious.
If you like to fly - do it in air club with private plane.
But having passengers behind..... sorry, no.
You have to think about passengers safety, not about your own ambitions.
I WON'T fly in this case... It is not serious.
If you like to fly - do it in air club with private plane.
But having passengers behind..... sorry, no.
You have to think about passengers safety, not about your own ambitions.
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Quote from the BBC:
Flybe said the senior captain was one of its "most experienced and trusted pilots", and the safety of passengers and crew had not been compromised in any way.
Question:
If this incident did NOT compromise safety then could you enlighten us as to what in your opinion DOES?
Flybe said the senior captain was one of its "most experienced and trusted pilots", and the safety of passengers and crew had not been compromised in any way.
Question:
If this incident did NOT compromise safety then could you enlighten us as to what in your opinion DOES?
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The RAF proved years ago that a pilot can be totally legless and still be a stuff-shirted arrogant glory-seeker. Should give the chap a hand for only one bounce.
The RAF proved years ago that a pilot can be totally legless and still be a stuff-shirted arrogant glory-seeker. Should give the chap a hand for only one bounce.
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. as he made the flare manoeuvre - "his prosthetic limb became detached from the yoke clamp, depriving him of control of the aircraft".
It seems that many posters on this thread believe that their "opinions" trump those of the CAA, AAIB and Flybe's. Both the CAA and Flybe had ample time to consider any risks before this individual's licence was granted/renewed. Following this incident I'm sure that both the CAA and Flybe have reassessed the risks and concluded that they are manageable.
Sadly none of these details will affect the feeding frenzy that some appear to have whipped themselves into, IMHO , and they should just be left to get on with it.
Sadly none of these details will affect the feeding frenzy that some appear to have whipped themselves into, IMHO , and they should just be left to get on with it.
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The removal and refitting of any mechanical component in the flying control system normally requires a duplicate inspection and signing off by a licensed engineer. Just saying....
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Just to balance things, I'd like to see the training and medical records of those who believe this guy shouldn't fly, with or without passengers. That will sure give us a laugh. For anybody capable if coming up with unhinged opinions like this is bound to have an interesting past - one which should preclude them from flying with or without passengers. Fact free, zero analysis arguments based purely upon prejudice have no value here or anywhere else. They should be consigned to Room 101.
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I go back to what I wrote before which is that there are many pilots flying commercially with medical conditions.
Flying is one of the few professions where a strict medical is required and at any time a pilot can be told that his career/livelihood is over.
hence it is right and proper to try and accommodate these people where it is deemed that it is safe to do so.
With 2 crew its not such a bad situation as with a single pilot and many fly with conditions where they are using drugs or combination of drugs for various conditions.
Yes there are lessons to be learnt from this incident which is unlikely to happen again and may require a special briefing and clarification of roles in the event of such an occurrence and maybe being more aware a possible go around should this happen again.
As for saying the pilot is not fit to fly? total rubbish and a dangerous route to take regarding where such discrimination could lead to other pilots who do not quite hit the Mark in other medical areas
Flying is one of the few professions where a strict medical is required and at any time a pilot can be told that his career/livelihood is over.
hence it is right and proper to try and accommodate these people where it is deemed that it is safe to do so.
With 2 crew its not such a bad situation as with a single pilot and many fly with conditions where they are using drugs or combination of drugs for various conditions.
Yes there are lessons to be learnt from this incident which is unlikely to happen again and may require a special briefing and clarification of roles in the event of such an occurrence and maybe being more aware a possible go around should this happen again.
As for saying the pilot is not fit to fly? total rubbish and a dangerous route to take regarding where such discrimination could lead to other pilots who do not quite hit the Mark in other medical areas
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Just ask your passengers BEFORE the flight what they think about....
I WON'T fly in this case... It is not serious.
If you like to fly - do it in air club with private plane.
But having passengers behind..... sorry, no.
You have to think about passengers safety, not about your own ambitions.
I WON'T fly in this case... It is not serious.
If you like to fly - do it in air club with private plane.
But having passengers behind..... sorry, no.
You have to think about passengers safety, not about your own ambitions.
airlines offer P2F, contracts are off-shore or you're an independant worker, and now pilots have artificial arms.
And you expect professionalism and some serious things ?
Long time ago I gave up to expect anything from this industry.
I take my paycheck and just laugh (hollowly) at what I can see.
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Yes A330AV8R they do. And if your handle implies you fly commercially then I am astounded that you do not know this.
I refer you back to post 4 of this thread, where the poster kindly gave us all the link to the CAA web site that explains the legislation.
Far smarter medical and engineering minds than seem to appear on this thread have assessed that certain kinds of disability in civil aviation need to be addressed and solved in various ways.The legislation and the CAA medical staff are way more capable than the journalists of the popular press and the frippery of this thread to ensure that the safety of disabled pilots does not compromise any aspect of both civil and private aviation. These legislators continue to provide the levels of safety that is expected under the EASA.
My handle implies THAT exactly .
I have touched all corners of the planet operationally and I have " NEVER " yes " NEVER " seen anyone barring a few really " over weight " individuals who carry personal O2 tanks to breath at night , but that is a different story ........ operating a short or long haul flight .
Case in point a friend of mine Former BA had an unusual heart rhythm and because of this he simply couldn't get a Class 1 medical until he got one outside of the " EASA " system . For the uninitiated this is not a developed condition but is something that your born with .
I have to say that I learn something new every day but this one about the CAA / EASA is a first !
That being said as long as the person is sitting on the left or right then some competent
person put them there and disabled or not as long as they are SAFE operators , that's good enough for me ! 
Yes A330AV8R they do. And if your handle implies you fly commercially then I am astounded that you do not know this.
I refer you back to post 4 of this thread, where the poster kindly gave us all the link to the CAA web site that explains the legislation.
Far smarter medical and engineering minds than seem to appear on this thread have assessed that certain kinds of disability in civil aviation need to be addressed and solved in various ways.The legislation and the CAA medical staff are way more capable than the journalists of the popular press and the frippery of this thread to ensure that the safety of disabled pilots does not compromise any aspect of both civil and private aviation. These legislators continue to provide the levels of safety that is expected under the EASA.
My handle implies THAT exactly .
I have touched all corners of the planet operationally and I have " NEVER " yes " NEVER " seen anyone barring a few really " over weight " individuals who carry personal O2 tanks to breath at night , but that is a different story ........ operating a short or long haul flight .
Case in point a friend of mine Former BA had an unusual heart rhythm and because of this he simply couldn't get a Class 1 medical until he got one outside of the " EASA " system . For the uninitiated this is not a developed condition but is something that your born with .
I have to say that I learn something new every day but this one about the CAA / EASA is a first !
That being said as long as the person is sitting on the left or right then some competent
person put them there and disabled or not as long as they are SAFE operators , that's good enough for me !
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This pilots been with this company in its many guises for over 16 years and has flown with this 'disability' for over 20. First time this has ever happened. He is a first rate pilot....highly regarded by his peers and others who have flown with him. Those who know what they're talking about have no issues here, so maybe the ignorant can just keep quiet!
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I am seriously embarrassed by the attitude of so called professionals on this site! I have not visited in a while but it's clear to me it attracts pond life!!
For the record the pilot mentioned I have actually flown with! Yes in the real world! A total pro and a TRE I may add! He has completed thousands of commercial flights and trained hundreds of pilots who now fly safely worldwide! I would trust him to fly my family any time! Unlike most so called pilots on here and pay to fly type airline career types!!
It may shock you to learn he is not the only pilot Flybe employ with a limb missing! It may also surprise you to learn Flybe are not the only airline in the world that employs people with disabilities!
At the end of the day overcoming a disability to excell in Your dream career should be applauded not criticised by morons!
This man has done more for civil aviation than most in the industry!
For the record the pilot mentioned I have actually flown with! Yes in the real world! A total pro and a TRE I may add! He has completed thousands of commercial flights and trained hundreds of pilots who now fly safely worldwide! I would trust him to fly my family any time! Unlike most so called pilots on here and pay to fly type airline career types!!
It may shock you to learn he is not the only pilot Flybe employ with a limb missing! It may also surprise you to learn Flybe are not the only airline in the world that employs people with disabilities!
At the end of the day overcoming a disability to excell in Your dream career should be applauded not criticised by morons!
This man has done more for civil aviation than most in the industry!
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Those who know what they're talking about have no issues here, so maybe the ignorant can just keep quiet!
That is not acceptable and I am sure steps have already been taken to mitigate the risk, but it did happen and I don't think there is room for macho comments about 'the ignorant', as those conducting the flight were proven to be ignorant of the risk and the response plan, to the degree that it was not briefed.
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Yet the fact is that a number of passengers were placed at increased risk, due to an un-briefed failure mode, resulting in the aircraft suffering a heavy landing with no-one in control of the thrust levers.
Yet the fact is that a number of passengers were placed at increased risk, due to an un-briefed failure mode, resulting in the aircraft suffering a heavy landing with no-one in control of the thrust levers.
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Well, in this case the risk assessment was proven wrong, and no matter how nice this pilot is, he could have killed people had this developed into an accident.
Well, in this case the risk assessment was proven wrong, and no matter how nice this pilot is, he could have killed people had this developed into an accident.
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! Every bounced landing is a potential death threat now?
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A friend of mine touched down, lowered the nose gear gently to the runway and said "Captain, your aircraft." He then slumped forward on the yoke having had a heart attack. ( He survived ).
Lose a limb? Lose a heart and consciousness? What's the difference?
That's why we have two pilots in the cockpit, right?
Move along, nothing to see here.
Lose a limb? Lose a heart and consciousness? What's the difference?
That's why we have two pilots in the cockpit, right?
Move along, nothing to see here.