Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
Not much point in committing an act of terror (after all, you do so fro a political aim) if nobody knows you did it.
short flights long nights
Beat me by one minute ETOPS. Was just thinking the same thing, what was in the cargo that someone might have wanted.
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More on Vietnamese SAR effort
Some additional information from the Thanh Nien :
- Seems my coordinates for the "suspicious objects" were slightly off, should be E082136 N 1031330. The map below has it plotted:
- The sighting was presumably done by a Singaporean aircraft at 1500 local time (the map even says C130 Singapore)
- There is a report of a "10 meter long fragment" discovered by a USAF aircraft, but the coordinates N664825 E1032921 can't be correct.
- A DHC-6 Twin Otter on floats has joined the Vietnamese search effort. [Could be quite useful if the sea state allows.]
- A forward rescue base is being set up at Phu Quoc island, some 100 NM NNE of the latest sighting and 210 NM NNE of the last known posiion of MH370. Phu Quoc has a regional airport with an approx 1200 metres runway.
- Seems my coordinates for the "suspicious objects" were slightly off, should be E082136 N 1031330. The map below has it plotted:
- The sighting was presumably done by a Singaporean aircraft at 1500 local time (the map even says C130 Singapore)
- There is a report of a "10 meter long fragment" discovered by a USAF aircraft, but the coordinates N664825 E1032921 can't be correct.
- A DHC-6 Twin Otter on floats has joined the Vietnamese search effort. [Could be quite useful if the sea state allows.]
- A forward rescue base is being set up at Phu Quoc island, some 100 NM NNE of the latest sighting and 210 NM NNE of the last known posiion of MH370. Phu Quoc has a regional airport with an approx 1200 metres runway.
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Poor communication is the multiplier here
Irrespective of the cause, the aircraft broke up, hit the water and I imagine that the end came quickly for those on board, even if only via time of useful consciousness at that height. In the absence of facts, it's natural for people to want to talk about it - particularly those with an interest in aviation who don't have people willing to discuss it with them in real life. I'm happy to hear it, even if some aren't. It's an upsetting situation so some will want to share, some need to bite. The lack of information is simply due to the lack of communication in that part of the world. It's not like TWA 800 where multiple crews saw the fireball. Facts will emerge at a slower rate than that and it may be that surprisingly salient information from witnesses is yet to emerge. AF447 was a surprise to everyone and a reminder to keep an open mind.
Originally Posted by Ares
As much as it is current to blame terrorism on everything, I don't believe this is the explanation here for one reason: where is the claim of responsibility? Not much point in committing an act of terror (after all, you do so fro a political aim) if nobody knows you did it.
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I suspect they could, considering they will be hunting for the "pinger" signal which is not daylight dependant...
I also guess they would need 2 flight crews (at least) per aircraft, 1 to transport over there & 1 to start the search. Is this how this sort of mission would work?
I also guess they would need 2 flight crews (at least) per aircraft, 1 to transport over there & 1 to start the search. Is this how this sort of mission would work?
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As much as it is current to blame terrorism on everything, I don't believe this is the explanation here for one reason: where is the claim of responsibility? Not much point in committing an act of terror (after all, you do so fro a political aim) if nobody knows you did it.
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Originally Posted by Passagiata
This is a scan of the ticket of the person travelling on the stolen Italian ticket.
Trip booked was KUL-PEK-AMS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiRSj1cCUAApHMg.png:large
Trip booked was KUL-PEK-AMS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiRSj1cCUAApHMg.png:large
POM PAX
You misunderstand - aircraft was at 35,000 feet. Descend 500 gets you to 34,500 thus you are flying between the normal ATC levels thus unlikely to hit anything..
You misunderstand - aircraft was at 35,000 feet. Descend 500 gets you to 34,500 thus you are flying between the normal ATC levels thus unlikely to hit anything..
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Some of you think that people are just glued to radarscopes watching the paint of every aircraft don't you. Just because someone wasn't watching it at the time doesn't mean surveillance data doesn't exist.
Most modern and even semi-modern ATS systems are able to store substantial amounts of surveillance (ADS/SSR/PSR) data and replay. In addition, raw feeds from the radar (PSR/SSR) are usually "processed" to improve accuracy and reliability and may actually show more than a controller could see.
And to those who said "one primary paint is all you'd need to know where the plane is" you obviously have never actually been inside any kind of area control room or watched the screen long enough.
Subject to surveillance coverage, there will be much more data available than on one of those joke websites run by rampant aerosexuals in their pyjamas.
Most modern and even semi-modern ATS systems are able to store substantial amounts of surveillance (ADS/SSR/PSR) data and replay. In addition, raw feeds from the radar (PSR/SSR) are usually "processed" to improve accuracy and reliability and may actually show more than a controller could see.
And to those who said "one primary paint is all you'd need to know where the plane is" you obviously have never actually been inside any kind of area control room or watched the screen long enough.
Subject to surveillance coverage, there will be much more data available than on one of those joke websites run by rampant aerosexuals in their pyjamas.
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I wonder if they can continue working into the night?
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Someone earlier, (Very ex BA?), mentioned a darkened cabin and crew in their bunks. It is only a six hour flight, highly unlikely the cabin crew would have anytime for bunk rest, especially in the premium cabin(s) where hijackers tend to sit.
So much information has been given out to the general public about transponders, the various emergency codes etc. that any hijacker these days will, on gaining access to the flight deck, almost certainly switch it off.
MAS seem an unlikely target for a hijacking.
So much information has been given out to the general public about transponders, the various emergency codes etc. that any hijacker these days will, on gaining access to the flight deck, almost certainly switch it off.
MAS seem an unlikely target for a hijacking.
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For a passport to be stolen and picked up by Customs, it has to be REPORTED AS STOLEN first. The Italian one was, but maybe the others weren't reported stolen.
"I suspect they could, considering they will be hunting for the "pinger" signal which is not daylight dependant...
I also guess they would need 2 flight crews (at least) per aircraft, 1 to transport over there & 1 to start the search. Is this how this sort of mission would work?"
I also guess they would need 2 flight crews (at least) per aircraft, 1 to transport over there & 1 to start the search. Is this how this sort of mission would work?"
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Livesinafield. Depends on who you are listening to. According to CNN the report of debris is false. And this has been going on all day. It would appear nobody has a clue at this stage.