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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:53
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Meth,

As has been stated many times! They didn't need a visa if they were staying less than 72 hours....
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Reports of sightings of debris off the Vietnamese coast starting to pop up on news feeds. Nothing confirmed at this stage though.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:56
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Update - Vietnam SAR

Sun has set and soon we should get reports from airborne search. The most recent I've seen, from a Thanh Nien reporter aboard Mi-171 helicopter no 02, was negative however. It took off after the AN-26s had returned to investigate at N072740 E1025848. This is in the vicinity of the oils slick spotted yesterday but further west.

However, flying at 500 metres (1500 ft) or lower, the crew judged the slick not to be oil.
The crew also observed several objects floating in the sea, which on closer observation were determined not to be from MH370.

I guess we will have some more of these false alarms, until the shipborne search starts in earnest as vessels arrive in the area. So far I have not seen any report of ships in action which would be capable of locating the CVR and FDR pinger.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 12:58
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Chinese consular records should show what visas were issued, since a holder of either of the stolen passports would require a visa and we may assume that MAS ground staff would have checked that the visas were in order.
You DO NOT have to have a valid visa to enter China if you are a transit passenger with an on-going ticket to another country. You can stay in China for 72hrs.

The e-ticket photo supplied shows an on-going ticket to AMS, (KUL-PEK-AMS) which would match up the theory of whom-ever having no intention of setting foot in China at all.

Get your facts straight.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:00
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Originally Posted by spicejetter
AF447 was found by now and that was in the middle of the South Atlantic.
Jeez there's some c*** being spouted on this thread.

No, AF447 hadn't been "found by now". Suspected debris was spotted about two days after it lost contact, but the first actual debris wasn't recovered until five days after the incident.

The location of AF447 on the ocean floor wasn't discovered until almost two years after the accident.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:01
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Interpol might disagree. Fairly global is 166 countries. Now, whether Malaysia checks it...

Stolen and Lost Travel Documents – holds information on more than 39 million travel documents reported lost or stolen by 166 countries. This database enables INTERPOL National Central Bureaus and other authorized law enforcement entities (such as immigration and border control officers) to ascertain the validity of a suspect travel document in seconds.
Databases / INTERPOL expertise / Internet / Home - INTERPOL
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:04
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Chinese consular records should show what visas were issued, since a holder of either of the stolen passports would require a visa and we may assume that MAS ground staff would have checked that the visas were in order.
Do the effort of reading thread or inform yourself, passengers in transit requires no visa.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:05
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Update - Vietnam SAR

According to a Thanh Nien report, a "composite inner wall window piece" would have been spotted by a Vietnamese marine police seaplane (the DHC-6?) at N473208 E1032226. The seaplane had to return [presumably due to nightfall.]

The coordinate must be erroneous, but the description is the most fitting so far. Let's see if it holds. The news item said "the pilot could take pictures, but not clearly".

Disclamer, as usual: Based on Google translation.

EDIT: Dantri gives the coordinate as N083247, which puts the sighting 14NM to NE of the AN-26 sighting earlier today and 44NM / 82 km SSW of Tho Chu.

Last edited by snowfalcon2; 9th Mar 2014 at 13:38. Reason: corrected NW to NE
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:06
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I would be of the opinion that the false passports belonged to people who paid their way to a "new life" in Europe, and that it is not connected to this accident.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:07
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According to this report something 'yellow' has been spotted by Singaporean SAR and the Vietnamese were going to be on site in a boat by 12.20 GMT

(I realise this differs to what Snowfalcon 2 has posted - at least one of the reports must be correct)

What would be yellow? Life rafts, the green internal paint?
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:08
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On the Australian PBS channel tonight, in their World news bulletin, they said Singapore would coordinate the search.
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According to a Thanh Nien report, a "composite inner wall window piece" would have been spotted by a Vietnamese marine police seaplane (the DHC-6?) at N473208 E1032226. The seaplane had to return [presumably due to nightfall.]

The coordinate must be erroneous, but the description is the most fitting so far. Let's see if it holds. The news item said "the pilot could take pictures, but not clearly".
Interesting. Finally some hard facts or at least some serious clues.
Can you please provide a link to this information?
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:10
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Spicejetter, please explain how it is
a disgrace
?

I think the SAR efforts are acceptable given the situation and the absolute lack of clues as to the whereabouts of the aircraft.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:11
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Stop bagging pprune

There has been some good analysis, timely information and euradite comment on the forum.
Far more informative than the stale tripe being dished up by an ill informed, lazy and ignorant media.
If you can't sort out what is worthwhile from what is not, then complainers should move on. No disrespect intended.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:12
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Seems like the coordinates would be approximately:

N 18 40, E 107 40
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:12
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The Vietnamese have said the yellow object found by the Singaporeans does not come from a 777.
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:16
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Oil slick -Red tide - Telemetry?

The BBC pics of possible oil skick looks more like red tidal algee. That frequents tropical waters due to warning oceans. Surely Boeing and Engine manufacturer would have recieved telemetry data?
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:17
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The only thing we know for sure is that the triple 7 is somewhere on planet earth, either in bits (more likely) or in one piece (very very unlikely)

Apparently no distress call was heard and it disappeared in next to no time.

So what would bring down a large airliner with such rapidity that no distress call was made? Here are some options..whether they are applicable to this accident... i have no idea!!!!!

1) Shot down. This may account for the silence, confusion and/or lack of willingness to divulge too much information.

2) Mid Air collision. This is possible if it happened to be with a UAV in this case as there have been no reports of any other missing aircraft.

3) Structural Failure leading to in flight breakup. Another possibility such as a cargo door opening in the cruise or the loss (detachment) of a control surface maybe. Rupturing of a pressure bulkhead might have the same consequence as seen before or a few other possibilities...stress cracks etc. An initial failure would cause the crew to deal with the failure first, to bring the aircraft under control, this then may result in a manoeuvre to get back home... and then the secondary effects or additional breakup renders the aircraft uncontrollable. This may explain a non communication scenario as in Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Contrary to what non pilots may think... the first action of any pilot in a non normal event is to control the situation, not bang out a distress message, verbally or otherwise.

4) Flight Control Issue. Ive never flown a FBW aircraft so "put this out there" IF a control surface separated, what would the computers do? If the right aileron (high speed or low speed) detached, for example, during a left turn, how would the computers compensate?

5) Bomb on board. Again possible but difficult to do with the amount of security these days....but then how secure is this region?

6) Hi Jacking. Possible... especially if it was bungled and went wrong... such as a fight breaking out in the FD, AP tripped due to unintentional force applied on the stick... A/C goes off in its direction whilst the melee ensues and A/C hits the water. However the supposed communication with the aircraft might debunk this myth.

7) Crew incapacitation. This would only really be likely if another inexperienced or flightsim champion person tried to hand fly the aircraft instead.

8) Terrorist attack. In association with 6 above, Terrorist decides to commit suicide. Possible. He (she) gains access to FD, knock out Capt and F/O and push hard on the stick.

9) Crew Suicide. Possible but unlikely i would to suggest.

Im sure there are a few more potential failures that would have the same effect.

I think descending down to 500 feet and flying to some remote island to land is rather unlikely. I wouldn't want to do it during the day, let alone at night!!!
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 13:19
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Just a month ago, Interpol released:

INTERPOL’s Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database currently contains 40 million records from 167 countries. Though it was searched more than 800 million times in 2013, with the United Arab Emirates alone making one in every eight searches as the third largest user, Secretary General Noble said not enough countries are making use of this critical global policing tool.

“The bad news is that, despite being incredibly cost effective and deployable to virtually anywhere in the world, only a handful of countries are systematically using SLTD to screen travellers.

“The result is a major gap in our global security apparatus that is left vulnerable to exploitation by criminals and terrorists,” said Secretary General Noble.
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CCTV - Bandwidth, economy

Fore those suggesting CCTV cockpit live streams, how on Earth would you transmit all the data? With an update rate of several/second in a resolution that gives some useful idea of the inner workings, in any lighting condition?

Advance of technology is all well, but it seems that even for a rather simple set of parameters only some of the possible transmissions are paid for by the airlines.
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