Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
You're reading a lot more into Interpols secretary-generals statement than what meant. What he was getting at, is that Interpol have a very good, up-to-date stolen passport database, with easy and immediate access - and very few countries are making use of it.
To put it in perspective, until we know that the passport miscreants took down the flight he should be saying that passport checks will help prevent people smuggling, criminal activities and drug smuggling, the never ending trail of human misery and death toll of which is probably comparable to an airliner crash, just not as newsworthy.
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@ Stonevalley - I lived and worked in Malaysia for 3 years and only partly share your assesment. Malay politics are dirty at times, no doubt, and face saving is as everywhere in Asia a big issue but the people I worked with were all highly competent and professional.
We here in Australia should be very careful accusing officials in other countries being corrupt.
Regardless I believe that the Malay Authorities are holding back information. (wrote it before).
We here in Australia should be very careful accusing officials in other countries being corrupt.
Regardless I believe that the Malay Authorities are holding back information. (wrote it before).
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Ever seen a F18 pilot use his afterburners at night? For a airline pilot standing on the ground, it made my blood run cold. It would be impossible not to see a explosion like the B777 going up, if indeed she did. Impossible, not with so many boats around as there are there.
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They are incompetent by First World standards. Not bigotry but fact.
The efforts the region banded together to get through the Boxing day Tsunami disaster was nothing short of impressive, 1.5 world standards? Who would you classify as first world? USA? Western worlds? What was the rescue efforts like at New Orleans after Katrina?
Goodness...
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Would REGIONAL SAR Coordination Centres, each with the authority to control assets from member's forces/emergency services be a better (less sensitive) option than an all-out UN umbrella organisation?
Might UN control of such centres help in the international political arena whilst giving smaller nations a feeling of autonomy at least on a regional level?
Look, joining a "club" is never easy - look at the EU!!!!! Look also at the struggles in and around the former Soviet Union. But human disasters, at least in times of (relative) peace have at least a tacit desire to pull people out of the deep brown sticky stuff. Might such an organisation help in the future?
If, in doing what we have always done, we shouldn't be too surprised that we get what we always got! Change is needed.
Might UN control of such centres help in the international political arena whilst giving smaller nations a feeling of autonomy at least on a regional level?
Look, joining a "club" is never easy - look at the EU!!!!! Look also at the struggles in and around the former Soviet Union. But human disasters, at least in times of (relative) peace have at least a tacit desire to pull people out of the deep brown sticky stuff. Might such an organisation help in the future?
If, in doing what we have always done, we shouldn't be too surprised that we get what we always got! Change is needed.
A co-operative SAR effort as is now being carried out, will produce the same result as a centrally-co-ordinated SAR, because each group of searchers is homogoneous, with a common language, a disciplined force, and a recognised chain of command. If different SAR groups are searching the same area, even without a central command, any wreckage will be discovered more quickly.
The offering of a wreckage reward to the fisherman and locals is the soundest idea yet produced.
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If the report that they're expanding the search area to include the Strait of Malacca is accurate, then they must think there is a possibility that the aircraft not only turned, but that it was aloft for some distance after it turned, correct?
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You are gentlemen and give people the benefit of the doubt. There are many good people there but the problem is the political and organisational culture.
I've worked in this region for a decade much of it in Malaysia and quite honestly people are feathering their nests, risk-averse and reluctant to make waves. That is my general assessment
Whether the MH370 is being handled well or not is far too early to say but I will be watching it with interest
You are gentlemen and give people the benefit of the doubt. There are many good people there but the problem is the political and organisational culture.
I've worked in this region for a decade much of it in Malaysia and quite honestly people are feathering their nests, risk-averse and reluctant to make waves. That is my general assessment
Whether the MH370 is being handled well or not is far too early to say but I will be watching it with interest
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Boats...boats
Would it be an exaggeration to say that that part of the ocean may be teeming with small fishing boats? And if so, many would not have radio? And if so, then some of them will know something that they can't report until they return to port.
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If a global UN Search and Rescue organisation were considered unpalatable, might REGIONAL SAR Coordination Centres, each with the authority to control assets from member's forces/emergency services be a better (less sensitive) option than an all-out UN umbrella organisation?
The countries here Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia, US, China (source: The New Straits Times, not sure why they left out Vietnam), had worked closely before in such or similar situations (Boxing Day Tsunami). Perhaps only China is the 'new player' but a good 85% do have past experiences. Sure, people rotate out but certain SOPs do get passed down. Additionally, most of these countries have conducted rescue exercises together, one of this is a submarine rescue exercise (not sure of it's frequency).
So to reply to your suggestion, there are sufficient multi-lateral / coalition / UN tasks out there for the Armed forces of modern countries to work together. The framework to cooperate is usually very standard and there isn't a dire need for more organisations. Hope this helps.
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Dungdang . . .
Just curious, in the case of AF 447 the first clues was technical data the plane sent automatically... Any info about similar data stream from the missing plane?
And if so, many would not have radio?
You are right. I know from personal experience, that very few Vietnamese fishing boats have radios. They may have walkie-talkies for local communication with other boats and they all will have mobile phones, but those are no use 100 miles from shore.
During offshore seismic operations, we employ chase vessels to keep fishing boats out of the way. The chase vessels often have to close withing hailing distance.
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Would it be an exaggeration to say that that part of the ocean may be teeming with small fishing boats? And if so, many would not have radio? And if so, then some of them will know something that they can't report until they return to port.
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Here's a comment that may ruffle some feathers. Look at the FIR of the region and you may have an idea of the SAR capabilities of that country. Compare not only in terms of geographical location but also in size.
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FIR
Having not flown myself around for a number of years, I had to look this one up. Also, I'm sure an unusually large number of folks with no aviation experience at all are watching this site at the moment.
Flight information region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Flight information region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Question for India Four Two:
Do your seismic sensors stay on the bottom and relay information to the surface via laser, sonar, or other transmission; or do they have to be retrieved? Also, would they register an event such as an airplane crash?
Do your seismic sensors stay on the bottom and relay information to the surface via laser, sonar, or other transmission; or do they have to be retrieved? Also, would they register an event such as an airplane crash?
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Well the report is just in, from Malaysian airlines on Sky (Australia). No aircraft parts have been found, the oil slick has been sent to a Laboratory be checked out, but so far nothing. They also said they are perplexed, indeed shattered, as we all are. Terrorism is now being considered, so they must have something. They are looking at all angles, and named all the countries that are now searching, but no signals are being received which makes it difficult to find wreckage, if indeed there is wreckage. So back to square one, people. And just appalling for the families.
