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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:29
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Stormyknight, the NY Times image link doesn't have the text overlay, e.g., geographical names.

Rachcollins, Thai and/or Indonesian primary radars ought to be able to detect a plane flying over the Andaman Sea. Nothing has been said on whether they saw any sign of the plane.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:29
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Body Found off Sumatra

This link is in Indonesian but Google Translate indicates this to be a genuine report. Whether connected to MH370 or not is a matter of speculation of course, but that's nothing new here.

http://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/may...an-mh-370.html
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:36
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Alastair Rosenchine, ex BA pilot, on Sky putting forward the 'Helios' theory. His view is it could have flown on with incapacitated pilots for around 3000 miles ending up in the vastness of the Indian Ocean.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:36
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I'm surprised that if there was a total electrical failure the crew made no attempt to use their mobile phone.

During the 2004 Tsunami my son was in the Maldives and although the mobile phone signals were too weak for voice communication, TXT messages got through with the added advantage that they were held by the phone until a signal was received.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:40
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Originally Posted by SaturnV View Post
Stormyknight, the NY Times image link doesn't have the text overlay, e.g., geographical names.
Yes sorry , just realised that, they are getting tricky with their graphics!
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:40
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Much delayed press conference just starting now, everyone.

Well that told us nothing, except they have just realised that it might be a good idea to analise radar data! But they actually have said nothing. So either they know nothing or they are running hard at covering something up.

They just said last radar contact at 02.15 local time. Is that a new time? Now they are saying a turn back might be possible. They were asked about ACARS data, but waffled on about radar. Either they don't know about ACARS or again they are hiding something. Either way they appear to be total amatures. They are even condraticting each other in their non answers.

And I ask again, why are they avoiding questions about ACARS data??

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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:41
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This relates back to post 2155

This article

PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.
One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.
"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said.
When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.
However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.
Now, if they dropped that piece of potential evidence in the sea that is bloody awful. Anyone know if this is an actual aircraft life raft?
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:42
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Any links to the presser or live blog ?
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:46
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FAA Notice May 10 2013 Electrical Fire and Smoke

[Federal Register Volume 78, Number 91 (Friday, May 10, 2013)]
[Proposed Rules]
[Pages 27310-27313]
From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov]
[FR Doc No: 2013-11063]
Federal Register, Volume 78 Issue 91 (Friday, May 10, 2013)
This proposed AD was prompted by reports
[[Page 27311]]
of smoke or flames in the passenger cabin of various transport category
airplanes related to the wiring for the passenger cabin in-flight
entertainment (IFE) system, cabin lighting, and passenger seats. This
proposed AD would require installing wiring and changing certain
electrical load management system (ELMS) panels and other concurrent
requirements to ensure the flightcrew is able to turn off electrical
power to the IFE systems and other non-essential electrical systems
through a switch in the flight compartment in the event of smoke or
flames. In the event of smoke or flames in the airplane flight deck or
passenger cabin, the flightcrew's inability to turn off electrical
power to the IFE system and other non-essential electrical systems
could result in the inability to control smoke or flames in the
airplane flight deck or passenger cabin during a non-normal or
emergency situation, and consequent loss of control of the airplane.



Electrical fire was discovered aboard a B777-200 during cruise
Electrical fire was discovered aboard a B777-200 during cruise. Source was identified as a speaker c... - NASA ASRS


FAA: Some Boeing 777s need fixes in case of fires
Without the changes, the FAA says, pilots could lose control of the planes if smoke or fire should break out.
The Federal Aviation Administration says unsafe wiring conditions on some Boeing 777 jetliners need to be fixed to prevent the possibility of
a crash from an in-flight entertainment system fire.
FAA: Some Boeing 777s need fixes in case of fires



EgyptAir 777 fire probe inconclusive but short-circuit suspected
EgyptAir 777 fire probe inconclusive but short-circuit suspected - 11/30/2012 - Flight Global


Massive electrical shorting, fire, and smoke explain a lot of what has been observed so far. Lack of communication by the crew, garbled transmission as reported by another pilot and smoke filled cabin perhaps makes this another version of the Swissair Flight 111. Pilots were barely able to control the aircraft in a smoke filled cabin, and because Indians have not yet so far confirmed spotting this aircraft on their radars in the heavily protected Andaman sea, this aircraft perhaps never made it past northern Sumatra even if headed off in that direction.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:49
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saw the pix of the raft....got to say after lots of years in the industry I do not remember black aircraft rafts...they were bright orange top to bottom for visibility during aerial searches.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:50
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Last Military Radar plot was is now being reported as being 200NM NW of Penang.

Just reported by the Military at the press conference.

They seemed to confirm they have found several radar returns after reviewing the radar recordings from the night in question
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:52
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The life rafts on board are equipped with electronic tracking devices that are automatically triggered on contact with water. Given the size of a B 777, I would imagine there are quite a few on board. That 1 hasn't gone off is quite puzzling. ( there may be someone here that can tell us how many would be required on board)
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:52
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Media just questioned the officials regarding the body supposedly found in the life jacket, this was immediately discredited.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:52
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With all the bells, lights, and whistles on a modern flight deck, there is a lot of information that needs to be processed by the brain before some complex non-normals can be accurately diagnosed. As a result, it is relatively easy to miss a benign change in the "normal" aircraft status/systems whilst the flight crew are otherwise dealing with what may be a confusing information overload.
This is a human failing you see again and again in sim - essentially a failure to effectively monitor. At night, with a lack of visual cues from the cockpit windows, it isn't that hard to imagine the aircraft heading off in the "wrong" direction (unnoticed by the flight crew) following some hasty and erroneous input to the FMC.
I would dearly like to know what the military policies are in that part of the world in dealing with an unresponsive seemingly rogue aircraft that may appear to be headed straight toward an area that is either heavily populated and/or militarily very sensitive.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:58
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5 Passengers Found

According to the news conference underway, five passengers were no-shows at the airport and replaced with four standby passengers, consequently no baggage was off-loaded. This contrasts with the statement a few days ago that five passengers who had checked in failed to board and their baggage was off-loaded.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 09:58
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...electronic tracking devices that are automatically triggered on contact with water.
And their signals are not going to be heard after hard contact with water and the shallow sea bed.

If after a diligent search, no sign is found, then I think it inevitably points to a fast, steep impact with the sea. If the sonar signalers from the data recorders are buried in the mud in the tail, then the wreckage may not be found. Perhaps a trawler will eventually unearth something.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:02
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Boy these guys are unbelievable!!

- So we have SSR that disappears (for reasons unknown), then it would appear from that point we have a primary radar trace that shows 'something' leaving that position and moving west.

- Reports today that the Vietnamese passed on information to the Malays, during the event, that an aircraft had deviated from its flightpath and was heading west.

- Despite this evidence the entire search operation was based on where the SSR stopped and it took an unofficial 'leak' of the above information 5 days into the search to move some resources to the point the Primary radar trace disappeared.

- The Malay Government came out today and said there was NO radar information showing the jet moving west yet they continued to search in the new area.

- Now they come out and say there is infact a primary radar trace that shows 'something' moving west but say they dismissed this initially due to the fact that the trace had no identifying features as would be found with SSR.

I hate to say it but the guys running this are absolute muppetts who seem to be letting their own 'face saving' worries and incompetence reduce the effectiveness of the entire search operation, for god sake there could have been wreckage / bodies / a complete aircraft etc etc floating around for 5 days in an area they should have been searching from day one.

I just feel so so sorry for the relatives and friends of all those onboard, it must be devastating to be face with smirking and smiling idiots who change the story at every press conference.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:02
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<<RMAF chief: unidentified plot on primary radar at FL295, >>

How do they determine altitude from primary radar?
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:02
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Where has been ATC in all these live Media Releases??
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:04
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Life Raft

Hiflyer1757,

It is indeed a life raft, the picture shows mostly the bottom half. But I would guess by its size that it fell off from a boat. This pic shows a similar model.



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