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Boeing 747 Dreamlifter lands at wrong airport

Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:01
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Takeoff Video
Notes no audio, roll from 1:30

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:03
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The first indication that the take off was well within the capability of the aircraft/runway etc. is that Boeing didn't send a B747 test pilot over to fly it out and left it to Atlas.
Yeah, the laws of physics don't apply to test pilots
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:08
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Correct Pug. For those numbers I quoted the V speeds fall into the shaded area and when checking it gives a Vmcg of122kts and a VminVr of 125.
A pure freighter has a Max ZFW of 288tons, a Pax is 244tons Max, this was a converted pax machine.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:11
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Yeah, the laws of physics don't apply to test pilots
You are missing the point ZeBedie, particularly where manufacturers liability and other insurance considerations have to be taken into account.

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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:16
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QF attempted to land a 742 at Hughes Airport in LA many years ago, the locals renamed it 'Qantas Field'.

Not too strenuous to tune up the ILS, can save a lot of meetings with the boss.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 22:49
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The fact that there were no casualties and no damage caused by the wrong-airport landing, nor the fact that this is not the first landing at the wrong airport by a professional flight crew, does not in any way diminish the need for an investigation into the cause of the incident, and needed changes for safely improvement.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 23:11
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We all make mistakes every day, the mistakes I make have not YET been quite as spectacular.

Then again, simply getting airborne in said an aircraft is pretty spectacular. There'll always be a little bit of "tall poppy syndrome" with these sort of incidents.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 23:13
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Yeah, the laws of physics don't apply to test pilots
They do apply to both but test pilots are allowed to do certain things that non-test pilots are prohibited from doing.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 23:17
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Not too strenuous to tune up the ILS, can save a lot of meetings with the boss
Actually, in this case it would have been rather difficult. There is no ILS or localizer for runway 19L at KIAB.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 23:18
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wrong runway

I flew with a guy at ******** back in the late 70's. He was on a crew that landed at Biggs AFB instead of El Paso, the month before. It was a pretty funny story. He claimed that there was only one set of runway lights on and they can be controlled from the El Paso tower. They discovered pretty quick what they had done and the controller cleared them to 180 and takeoff the way they came in. The FA's were dinging them and asking "did we land at Biggs?" The Captain denied it and made a PA saying that due to construction they had landed on a part of the airport that was not connected to the terminal, thus neccesitating a take off and landing on another runway. They parked at the gate and the captain told the engineer to erase the voice and data recorders. The agent ask them why they were late and the Captain made something up. They turned around and headed back to DFW.

The only reason they got caught was because of ACARS. They were out/off/on/off/in . They got a few weeks off, Captain more than the fo or fe.
Company said they would have got nothing except for the cover up. The T/O from Biggs was a big mistake because taking off without a dispatch release is a violation of OpSpecs and FAR 121. Captain was lucky to get no certificate action. This was before NASA forms and FAA/Airline issues were often handled over the phone with no paperwork.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 23:37
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When I lived in Melbourne in 1985 a Garuda 747 landed at Essendon (YMEN) R26, 3,600ft, instead of Melbourne (YMML) R27, 7500ft, which was 5 miles away. There was a massive strip-out before it could take off again.

ATSB report:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/31237/aair198501651.pdf
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 00:12
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Barn Owl - the aircraft never landed.
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 00:20
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I think the Atlas pilots were probably in the Teamsters union (yo' Vinnie, youse gotta problem wit dat?). Often these unusual missions are flown by management check airmen who may have a union seniority number but no active union representation.
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Dreamlifter/LCF flights are no longer particularly 'unusual' - they're up to about 100 flights per month (4 LCFs so almost daily per airplane, typical leg ~ 6 hours). They are busy supporting the 787 (10/month rate early next year)
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 00:35
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Not only that but YMEN RWY 26 is longer than 3,600'.
Currently it 6,302' and I think it was a little longer back then?

Good story though....
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 01:27
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Genuine question - is this likely to be a career ender for these guys?
Or a `don't ever do that again' kind of discussion.
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 02:03
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With so many airfields in such close proximity, was it only a matter of time?

Curious to know why would Jabara have its approach and runway lights on with an aircraft on approach to a neighbouring airport. A Swiss cheese if ever I saw one.
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 02:12
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Curious to know why would Jabara have its approach and runway lights on with an aircraft on approach to a neighbouring airport. A Swiss cheese if ever I saw one.
Maybe because there were other aircraft actually using that airport?
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 02:18
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Curious to know why would Jabara have its approach and runway lights on with an aircraft on approach to a neighbouring airport.
Because it has to be like this. There may be multiple aircraft on simultaneous approaches/takeoffs at all these airports (there is like 7 of them in the area). Plus Jabara is an uncontrolled airport - pilots usually turn lights remotely (by radio) on such airports and lights stay on for say 20 minutes before a timer switches them off.
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 02:38
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Devil

As an outsider, I have to say that the Dreamliner programme just keeps giving and giving ...
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Old 22nd Nov 2013, 02:55
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But nothing from ATC to caution the Crew of an active airfield so close. Tough break.
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