Boeing 747 Dreamlifter lands at wrong airport
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Problem is where do you stop with the what if's?
The 'what ifs' are the whole reason you avoid screwing up in the first place. If there were no 'what ifs', there'd be no reason to bother doing anything right.
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A mule? Stepped on how many of the lights?
Precision approach path indicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://www.google.com/search?q=airp...w=1366&bih=622
Precision approach path indicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://www.google.com/search?q=airp...w=1366&bih=622
No, compliance with regulations, procedures, best practices, etc are the reason you avoid the screwing up, or at least avoid trying not to to screw up, not wondering what if.
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You have to be a MSFS pilot to understand it.
Somehow the papi went to 1 degree instead of 3 degrees. How did that happen? I don't know so explain it to me.
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Now, given that so many Yanks lambasted the Asiana crew for being a few feet too low to get away with it, how can so many of the same group defend a crew that landed miles out of position? Just because they were lucky enough not to have caused any deaths does not excuse the serious lack of airmanship in this case. They were luckier, not better.
Better to do a really good landing at the wrong airport, than a really bad one at the right airport.
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great point ozlander...and if a runway was closed it must have an illuminated "X" quite visible at night
ehwhatzhedoing...great point.
defending the indefensible...asiana a true crash...atlas a screwup.
big difference
ehwhatzhedoing...great point.
defending the indefensible...asiana a true crash...atlas a screwup.
big difference
Here is the commonalty. In each of these accidents (Atlas, Asiana, UPS at BHM), the PROPER use of VNAV could have prevented the accident. In San Fran with Asiana it was a TransPac flight (fatigue), ILS OTS, new captain under training, and cultural/seniority issues. So load and fly the RNAV approach. Use all the resources available.
Atlas at Jabara. Approach was in the box, fly the damn thing. Its night into what one could assume was an unfamiliar airport with many other airports nearby. Use the technology.
UPS at Birmingham. I don't know the A300 at all, but I've been told a VNAV mode exists. A reliable source at the FAA told me they basically V/S'd the damn thing into the trees and the hill. Fatigue? Early morning and low circadian rhythm? Use the resources available.
If you get caught up in the argument that Asiana killed three and injured many more, Atlas killed nobody, and UPS only killed two you miss the point. The point being that all of these accidents/incidents were preventable had the installed technology been used to its fullest.
Atlas at Jabara. Approach was in the box, fly the damn thing. Its night into what one could assume was an unfamiliar airport with many other airports nearby. Use the technology.
UPS at Birmingham. I don't know the A300 at all, but I've been told a VNAV mode exists. A reliable source at the FAA told me they basically V/S'd the damn thing into the trees and the hill. Fatigue? Early morning and low circadian rhythm? Use the resources available.
If you get caught up in the argument that Asiana killed three and injured many more, Atlas killed nobody, and UPS only killed two you miss the point. The point being that all of these accidents/incidents were preventable had the installed technology been used to its fullest.
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Lesson learned from well experienced and retired pilots here in PPRUNE.....
I believe that I have learned everything I should know to become a better pilot.
DO NOT CRASH BUT SCREW UP IS OK.
Who cares about landing at the wrong airport.
Who cares about taking off from the wrong runway.
Got it.
Thank you all especially from old and retired pilots who never had an incident.
I really admire your perfect career.
I guess I don't need to come to this PPRUNE because I have learned everything
I should know about how I can retire from aviation like you, experience pilots.
Thank you and good luck to you all. .............
DO NOT CRASH BUT SCREW UP IS OK.
Who cares about landing at the wrong airport.
Who cares about taking off from the wrong runway.
Got it.
Thank you all especially from old and retired pilots who never had an incident.
I really admire your perfect career.
I guess I don't need to come to this PPRUNE because I have learned everything
I should know about how I can retire from aviation like you, experience pilots.
Thank you and good luck to you all. .............
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