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Boeing 747 Dreamlifter lands at wrong airport

Old 21st Nov 2013, 18:15
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6000 x 100 looks like 9000 x 150 if you are slightly farther out.

Visual illusion possibilities?
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 18:18
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if anyone knows what happened after similar "diversions" - what will happen to these pilots?
If the event isn't indicative of a pattern, and the person shows a talent for it, a safety-related job might be a good option.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 18:18
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TWA, UAL, PAA, WAL, DAL, EAL all have landed at the wrong airport at one time or another during the 60's. Some of these airlines have done it more than once.
Here's a nostalgic listing of some of those incidents, partially quoted above by racedo:

Wrong Way Landings By Commercial Airliners

Question, if anyone knows what happened after similar "diversions" - what will happen to these pilots? is this a career ender, or will they get back after up after some retraining (assuming an otherwise clean record)?
I think the Atlas pilots were probably in the Teamsters union (yo' Vinnie, youse gotta problem wit dat?). Often these unusual missions are flown by management check airmen who may have a union seniority number but no active union representation.

Either way, unless the CVR shows total disregard of procedures, my guess would be that the feds will pull their tickets temporarily (and check airman letters if applicable), they will be retrained and put back on the line after sim training and a line check.

Anybody at 5Y willing to comment on whether it was indeed an Atlas IBT crew?
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 18:18
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Live stream on KWCH.com at the moment of the preparation and take-off.
CNN is also covering it.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 18:49
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Live streaming video awaiting departure,

dreamlifter on USTREAM: .
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 18:58
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More coverage from the other side of the runway with closeup (live) of the B747;

AirlineReporter.com DOH! Boeing 747 Dreamlifter Lands at Wrong Airport
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:11
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Given how long it took them to figure out where they were, why didn't someone telephone Beech or Jabara to ask if they had a Dreamliner on their runway?

Pretty easy to spot.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:17
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And off she goes...
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:17
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easy peasy!
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:20
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Given how long it took them to figure out where they were, why didn't someone telephone Beech or Jabara to ask if they had a Dreamliner on their runway?
Beech Factory was closed and I would not be surprised if Jabara was closed as well at the time of the landing.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:37
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For those of you worried about the runway length. Here's a takeoff video of a 747-200 scheduled service from Bournemouth (UK) to New York, with presumably a ton more weight, and less performance than a 400, on a runway of about 7400 ft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPJiOareZnA
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:41
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BTW - for these one of a kind take offs with no passengers, will the FAA ever waive V1 requirements?
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 19:54
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BTW - for these one of a kind take offs with no passengers, will the FAA ever waive V1 requirements?
I always wondered about that, they allow sometimes flights on special 'ferry permit', for example with one engine inop, etc. then perhaps they could also make an exception for balanced field requirements too.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:04
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And run the risk of losing a Dreamlifter with an engine failure? I doubt whether Boeing would be willing to take such a "PR" risk. And a N-1 ferry flight for a 747 does have a V1. The permit applies more to the training of the pilots who make the ferry flight I guess.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:06
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Smile landing Brussels instead of Frankfurt

If I remember correctly the passengers were watching the inflight map and saw that they were landing at Brussels while the Crew announced the landing in Frankfurt!
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:12
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Won't waive V1 requirements, just won't be balanced field.
You need a V1 at or above Vmcg, use diagram below.



Also this tread for a discussion about range of V1
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not as good as a US airline 747 landing in Brussels(Belgium) instead of Frankfurt (Germany) some years ago , speeding up the cleaning and the cabin because of course they were 45 minutes ahead of time, just to realize on final that it was not the proper runway...
I beleive his flightplan was wrong and they followed it without realizing they were going to the 'wrong' city ..
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:46
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Deleted my post as I was certainly tipsy when I wrote that! Forgot it was Atlsc crew but the gist of the post is valid despite the bull written by the one that ****! Gee, I am still tipsy but recruitment by Boeing of non rated guys to rplace AMPA guys was revealed a long tome ago.....
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 20:52
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Comparing this photo to the runway, he got off in less than 4000 feet. Wasn't even as dramatic as that famous Bournemouth video...

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Currently, only 737's are flown from Renton.
Currently, 737s are only flown FROM Renton; they do not land there. First flights go to BFI, and subsequent flights operate to/from BFI.
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