Boeing 747 Dreamlifter lands at wrong airport
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The Boeing tug is actually escorted by the police for its drive from McConnell to Jabara because the max speed of the tug is about 13 mph.
Over public roads in the dark this is just a bit risky.
Over public roads in the dark this is just a bit risky.
Radar? ATC? WTF??
That was Tipsy's point, I believe. 
Not necessarily. How do you think the system would cope during a no-notice diversion without loading the FMS with the new destination?
The EGPWS knows where it is from the GPS. I doubt if it matters what's programmed into the FMS flight plan.
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The aircraft are operated by Atlas Air, not Boeing.
Originally Posted by Fathom
Surely the EGPWS would be going bananas with the aircraft landing at an airport that wasn't the destination.
The EGPWS knows where it is from the GPS. I doubt if it matters what's programmed into the FMS flight plan.
It was a good landing...............plane still in one piece vs a great landing, usable vs an excellent one, you can take off again.......easily.
Question is whether you strip the aircraft down to allow it take off again knowing it will take a week or two or extend runway which appears possible based on Goggle Maps and get aircraft back in service.
Personally think runway extension probably a better idea.
Question is whether you strip the aircraft down to allow it take off again knowing it will take a week or two or extend runway which appears possible based on Goggle Maps and get aircraft back in service.
Personally think runway extension probably a better idea.
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Puleeze... where do come up with this BS? Save it for another forum!
"Puleeze... where do come up with this BS? Save it for another forum!
Re runway extension in last post.
Remember a Cork friend telling me of a Mexican aircraft which got into trouble over Ireland and believe Shannon ATC guided it to land at a racecourse.
Apparently insurance company were very happy to have runway laid to ensure aircraft could take off again, bearing in mind the alternative.
Good old Goggle allowed me to find it
In 1983, a Mexican private jet made an emergency landing in Mallow, Ireland and had to stay for five weeks so a runway could be built, during which time the pilot became a local celeb. - OMG Facts
Remember a Cork friend telling me of a Mexican aircraft which got into trouble over Ireland and believe Shannon ATC guided it to land at a racecourse.
Apparently insurance company were very happy to have runway laid to ensure aircraft could take off again, bearing in mind the alternative.
Good old Goggle allowed me to find it
In 1983, a Mexican private jet made an emergency landing in Mallow, Ireland and had to stay for five weeks so a runway could be built, during which time the pilot became a local celeb. - OMG Facts
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Wichita local tv station KAKE News has a reported at Jabara airport and does live reports on the situation. See actually does not know more than that has been reported in this thread.
live stream
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The aircraft (registration N780BA) landed in a southerly direction at runway 18. The Boeing tug turned the aircraft 180 degrees nose heading to the north. The tug is now pushing the aircraft back towards the beginning of runway 36.
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The aircraft (registration N780BA) landed in a southerly direction at runway 18. The Boeing tug turned the aircraft 180 degrees nose heading to the north. The tug is now pushing the aircraft back towards the beginning of runway 36.
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An honest mistake and no one is hurt, no equipment damaged.
Hey, Singapore resident - much better than a Singapore Airlines 747 captain who took of from a closed runway in Taipei in 2000 and killed over 80 people in the process...
Hey, Singapore resident - much better than a Singapore Airlines 747 captain who took of from a closed runway in Taipei in 2000 and killed over 80 people in the process...
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An honest mistake? Oh how I laugh.
Yes, there are some really good flight safety lessons to be learnt here, just like those we will learn from Asiana, UPS, Southwest etc.
However, the overall hypocrisy of this forum is not lost on me. I wonder how this particular thread would have evolved if the crew were Korean, African or even European?
Yes, there are some really good flight safety lessons to be learnt here, just like those we will learn from Asiana, UPS, Southwest etc.
However, the overall hypocrisy of this forum is not lost on me. I wonder how this particular thread would have evolved if the crew were Korean, African or even European?
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There was a live report by someone of the authorities.
He told that Atlas Air states the aircraft will be able to takeoff with the current conditions. No need to extend the runway as suggested in this thread.
It is believed the aircraft is carrying cargo but cargo does not need to be offloaded for the takeoff. Also no fuel has been offloaded.
A new flightcrew is coming over t0 Jabara expected to arrive late morning. The crew will prepare the aircraft for takeoff. Takeoff will be at 12:00 local time today.
He told that Atlas Air states the aircraft will be able to takeoff with the current conditions. No need to extend the runway as suggested in this thread.
It is believed the aircraft is carrying cargo but cargo does not need to be offloaded for the takeoff. Also no fuel has been offloaded.
A new flightcrew is coming over t0 Jabara expected to arrive late morning. The crew will prepare the aircraft for takeoff. Takeoff will be at 12:00 local time today.
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Those DreamLifters are designed for carrying bulky items, not necessarily heavy items. It could be taking large but very light items - hence it is within TO limits (or it could be empty). Also it doesn't have far to fly so wont need much fuel!
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It does raise some ATC questions though. If McConnell could see the overflying light aircraft mentioned on the ATC replay, why didn't they see where the Dreamlifter was going?
At the airport where I worked, this scenario arose at least 5 times way back, and it was always spotted and resolved by approach radar.
Sorry HD, you beat me by 3 minutes.
At the airport where I worked, this scenario arose at least 5 times way back, and it was always spotted and resolved by approach radar.
Sorry HD, you beat me by 3 minutes.
It could be taking large but very light items - hence it is within TO limits (or it could be empty).
I'd have thought the controller would have noticed the aircraft lining up on the wrong runway although, I was once released to call tower with the words "You are down wind for ****."
Well, I WAS downwind OK - but not for ****.
Well, I WAS downwind OK - but not for ****.
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Listening to the LiveATC.net recording posted above, we know thy were on the RNAV (GPS) RWY 19L approach. The IAF-FAF segment of that approach (WITBA to WARUN) is on a true heading of 186, and passes directly above KAAO airport. At KAAO, the runway is perfectly aligned with the approach centerline, on a true heading on 187. The alignment is perfect. Looking at the approach, at WARUN there is a heading change to 192. So then flying WITBA-WARUN, the only airport with runway aligned precisely at 12 o'clock is KAAO, not KIAB. I can see the mistake happening, horizontally this is a good match.
How about the vertical profile? WITBA to WARUN is 9 miles. WITBA to KAAO runway threshold is 6.7 miles. At WITBA they must have been at 4000', per the approach plate. KAAO runway 18 threshold is at 1401'. So they had to come down 2600 feet in 6.7 miles. That's a 3.65 degree glideslope from WITBA to the KAAO runway. Again, the vertical glide is also pretty good, it they had interpreted WITBA as a FAF.
It will be interesting to see what the investigators find and what actions may be taken. I can see how a single mistake of confusing WITBA for WARUN would lead to this. Not excusable from a professional crew, but I can see it happening.
Now here is another thing... The KAAO NOTAM:
AAO 11/008 AAO AD AIRPORT CLSD 1311210347-1311272300
So they expect to fly out of there today, but the airport is to be closed until the 27th? Runway damage perhaps? DreamLifter too heavy for that runway?
How about the vertical profile? WITBA to WARUN is 9 miles. WITBA to KAAO runway threshold is 6.7 miles. At WITBA they must have been at 4000', per the approach plate. KAAO runway 18 threshold is at 1401'. So they had to come down 2600 feet in 6.7 miles. That's a 3.65 degree glideslope from WITBA to the KAAO runway. Again, the vertical glide is also pretty good, it they had interpreted WITBA as a FAF.
It will be interesting to see what the investigators find and what actions may be taken. I can see how a single mistake of confusing WITBA for WARUN would lead to this. Not excusable from a professional crew, but I can see it happening.
Now here is another thing... The KAAO NOTAM:
AAO 11/008 AAO AD AIRPORT CLSD 1311210347-1311272300
So they expect to fly out of there today, but the airport is to be closed until the 27th? Runway damage perhaps? DreamLifter too heavy for that runway?
