LOT B787 grounded over missing parts.
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Never had to work on anything larger than my car engine, but one thing springs to mind.
If the filters were missing, what replaced them?
Had to be something or surely the fuel would just spray everywhere!
Presumably any authorised part would only be for temporary use (eg testing) and not legal for flight?
If the filters were missing, what replaced them?
Had to be something or surely the fuel would just spray everywhere!
Presumably any authorised part would only be for temporary use (eg testing) and not legal for flight?
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The filter is contained within a metal housing, in this case a fuel/oil heat exchanger, so there would just be a space where the filter fits. They are not like a car's oil filter!
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Oh dear, Mr. Gruntpuddock, you've led a sheltered life!
I'm pretty sure Doctor Findlay's car would have had a metal housing containing a disposable filter element. (usually retained by a single, central bolt) Carton usually contained new rubber seals for the canister to seat on, seal for the central bolt and sometimes there would be a spring-loaded pressure-pad and seal to hold the element up to the fixed part of the housing.
the spin-on disposable cartridge, usually incorporating a blockage-bypass valve and an anti-draindown valve is a relatively recent introduction and there are a surprising number of vehicles in service which still use the element-type filter.
this Aircraft system would appear to be fundamentally the same, albeit with multiple elements.
I'm pretty sure Doctor Findlay's car would have had a metal housing containing a disposable filter element. (usually retained by a single, central bolt) Carton usually contained new rubber seals for the canister to seat on, seal for the central bolt and sometimes there would be a spring-loaded pressure-pad and seal to hold the element up to the fixed part of the housing.
the spin-on disposable cartridge, usually incorporating a blockage-bypass valve and an anti-draindown valve is a relatively recent introduction and there are a surprising number of vehicles in service which still use the element-type filter.
this Aircraft system would appear to be fundamentally the same, albeit with multiple elements.
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A LOT 787 operating a flight from Toronto was made to land in Keflavik today due to being denied entry into Norwegian airspace because of aircraft identification issues.The flight was operated at FL 270 so I wonder what the problem was?
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LOT Dreamliner Lands in Iceland on Identification System Issue - Bloomberg
A LOT Polish Airlines SA Dreamliner flying to Warsaw from Toronto made an unscheduled landing in Iceland due to a problem with the aircraft’s onboard identification system.
The Boeing Co. 787 aircraft landed at the Keflavik airport after Norway denied permission to fly over its airspace because of the faulty system, LOT spokeswoman Barbara Pijanowska-Kuras said by phone today. The identification system sends out information about a plane to air-traffic control staff and helps identify the aircraft in the air. The Polish airline sent two planes to Iceland to transport the passengers, she said.
The state-controlled carrier has bet heavily on the use of Dreamliners to cut costs and help restore the struggling airline to profit. LOT is already in talks with Boeing to get compensation for losses from a three-month global grounding of the Dreamliner fleet over electrical faults earlier this year.
LOT, which currently operates five Dreamliners, reported daily losses of $50,000 from the grounding when its first plane was stranded in Chicago after the inaugural flight.
The incident follows Norwegian Air Shuttle AS (NAS)’s announcement yesterday that it is taking one of its Dreamliner planes out of service for repairs. The company said it will lease an Airbus A340 to ensure all scheduled flights keep running between Scandinavia and the U.S. and Thailand.
Norwegian Air is grappling with technical glitches on the Dreamliner, from cockpit oxygen supply issues that delayed a flight to New York from Oslo on Sept. 22, to brake difficulties that affected a second 787 in Sweden this month. The global fleet of Dreamliners was grounded earlier this year after some batteries on planes operated by Japanese carriers caught fire.
To contact the reporter on this story: Pawel Kozlowski in Warsaw at [email protected]
A LOT Polish Airlines SA Dreamliner flying to Warsaw from Toronto made an unscheduled landing in Iceland due to a problem with the aircraft’s onboard identification system.
The Boeing Co. 787 aircraft landed at the Keflavik airport after Norway denied permission to fly over its airspace because of the faulty system, LOT spokeswoman Barbara Pijanowska-Kuras said by phone today. The identification system sends out information about a plane to air-traffic control staff and helps identify the aircraft in the air. The Polish airline sent two planes to Iceland to transport the passengers, she said.
The state-controlled carrier has bet heavily on the use of Dreamliners to cut costs and help restore the struggling airline to profit. LOT is already in talks with Boeing to get compensation for losses from a three-month global grounding of the Dreamliner fleet over electrical faults earlier this year.
LOT, which currently operates five Dreamliners, reported daily losses of $50,000 from the grounding when its first plane was stranded in Chicago after the inaugural flight.
The incident follows Norwegian Air Shuttle AS (NAS)’s announcement yesterday that it is taking one of its Dreamliner planes out of service for repairs. The company said it will lease an Airbus A340 to ensure all scheduled flights keep running between Scandinavia and the U.S. and Thailand.
Norwegian Air is grappling with technical glitches on the Dreamliner, from cockpit oxygen supply issues that delayed a flight to New York from Oslo on Sept. 22, to brake difficulties that affected a second 787 in Sweden this month. The global fleet of Dreamliners was grounded earlier this year after some batteries on planes operated by Japanese carriers caught fire.
To contact the reporter on this story: Pawel Kozlowski in Warsaw at [email protected]
A LOT 787 operating a flight from Toronto was made to land in Keflavik today due to being denied entry into Norwegian airspace because of aircraft identification issues.The flight was operated at FL 270 so I wonder what the problem was?
I can imagine flight identification issues but I can't think of what an aircraft identification issue would be
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I can imagine flight identification issues but I can't think of what an aircraft identification issue would be. Were they saying they were a B777 instead of a B787?
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I find it hard to believe that they were not allowed to complete the flight as a one off waiver or did the extended flight at FL 270 mean they didn't have enough fuel to reach Warsaw.
That being said, this one is fishy. I've seen the 21.3 report, and it doesn't make LOT maintenance look good (sorry, I can't elaborate). It's possible that the aircraft was delivered w/o filters, but it is also possible they were removed but not replaced by LOT prior to the event.
"LOT’s U.K.-based airplane-maintenance subcontractor, Monarch Aircraft Engineering, found a fuel filter missing in each of the two Rolls-Royce engines on one 787."
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I find it hard to believe that they were not allowed to complete the flight as a one off waiver or did the extended flight at FL 270 mean they didn't have enough fuel to reach Warsaw.
Best let LOT get all the inconvenience......
A LOT 787 is sitting in KEF with a u/s Transponder, two a/c from LOT, apparantly an Embraer and a 737 have picked up the passengers.
Earlier today LOT flight LO42 (B787 Dreamliner) from Toronto to Warsaw was forced to land in Keflavik, Iceland because the aircraft was denied entry into Norwegian airspace.
Playback: Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!
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I would imagine the 787 has 2 xpdrs, so apparently both failed. It is still in KEF almost 6 hours after the "rescue" aircraft arrived from WAW, so either no spares in WAW or it is a question of something more than swapping LRUs.
I would also think that a "fresh" flight crew arrived with the incoming a/c.
Apologies, did not notice the other thread.
Earlier today LOT flight LO42 (B787 Dreamliner) from Toronto to Warsaw was forced to land in Keflavik, Iceland because the aircraft was denied entry into Norwegian airspace.
Playback: Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!
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I would imagine the 787 has 2 xpdrs, so apparently both failed. It is still in KEF almost 6 hours after the "rescue" aircraft arrived from WAW, so either no spares in WAW or it is a question of something more than swapping LRUs.
I would also think that a "fresh" flight crew arrived with the incoming a/c.
Apologies, did not notice the other thread.
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That being said, this one is fishy. I've seen the 21.3 report, and it doesn't make LOT maintenance look good (sorry, I can't elaborate). It's possible that the aircraft was delivered w/o filters, but it is also possible they were removed but not replaced by LOT prior to the event.
Are you making this up, or did this 'secret report' fail to realize that LOT don't maintain the 787, which again falls within Boeing responsibility as Monarch are approved by Boeing?
That being said, this one is fishy. I've seen the 21.3 report, and it doesn't make LOT maintenance look good (sorry, I can't elaborate). It's possible that the aircraft was delivered w/o filters, but it is also possible they were removed but not replaced by LOT prior to the event.
Are you making this up, or did this 'secret report' fail to realize that LOT don't maintain the 787, which again falls within Boeing responsibility as Monarch are approved by Boeing?
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21.3 reports are considered proprietary
Plus, as I noted before, the 21.3 report indicates some pretty shoddy maintenance practices prior to discovery of the missing filters.
Not quite related, but there are enough 787 threads
Budget airline Norwegian Air Shuttle is taking one of its brand new Dreamliners out of long-haul service and demanding that Boeing repair the plane after it suffered repeated breakdowns, the carrier said on Saturday.
Boeing said the repairs would take "a matter of days".
Norwegian Air Shuttle will instead lease an Airbus A340 from HiFly to keep its long-haul business going, a spokesman said.
Boeing said the repairs would take "a matter of days".
Norwegian Air Shuttle will instead lease an Airbus A340 from HiFly to keep its long-haul business going, a spokesman said.
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[I find it hard to believe that they were not allowed to complete the flight as a one off waiver or did the extended flight at FL 270 mean they didn't have enough fuel to reach Warsaw.
I would imagine the 787 has 2 xpdrs, so apparently both failed
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Norway not allowing the A/C to pass through its airspace with an INOP transponder is a complete joke, and a poor reflection on Norwegian ATC, especially after the A/C having made its way all the way over the Atlantic through various airspace.
