Asiana flight crash at San Francisco
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: The AUK
Age: 80
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From Post #652 - How about option #4:
Right on the money TLB.
This is what the real stick and rudder people do, and it works in a very safe and proficient manner every time.
Last edited by The Big E; 8th Jul 2013 at 01:01.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NNW of Antipodes
Age: 81
Posts: 1,330
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Last edited by mm43; 8th Jul 2013 at 00:38.
From that posted video of the crash, it appears that the plane may have hit the surface of the water for some distance before striking the retaining wall. There is a white streak which looks like spray before the orange/brown dust cloud.
Aviator Extraordinaire
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma USA
Age: 76
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Con-pilot, I think he was referring to the crew, not the victims. Unless threa Re criminal charged laid, I think they will be allowed to return home.
Now I could be wrong, as many years ago, there was an accident involving a Mexican crew, they left the US to go back to Mexico before they were even interviewed by the NTSB. So the law may have changed.
But, in any case, this crew on the 777 would have to be charged with a crime to keep them in the country and for criminal charges to be filed, there would have to be probable cause, from the accident report. Unless of course they have a blood/alcohol in excess of the limit. Which I do not believe is a factor here. But who knows.
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: SoCal
Age: 65
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Physics from the Flying Professors
This is a great (preliminary) look at the info available in the public domain-- and it reinforces the earlier question of why they were "high-and-fast" in the approach over The Bridge? With some of the cockpit CVR data available it raises the issue of how they got into a slam dunk-- it sounds like they got put into a short final? Is all the ATC audio available from their turn onto Base, all the way in?
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Reply to post 643
''Is someone going to try to convince me they can't muster up a visual approach without PAPIs or VASAs?? ''
I think in this case, the hull resting at the end of the runway may convince you of that.
Visual anything in Asian carriers, is like Kryptonite to Superman.
I think in this case, the hull resting at the end of the runway may convince you of that.
Visual anything in Asian carriers, is like Kryptonite to Superman.
Last edited by Setright; 8th Jul 2013 at 00:51.
From that posted video of the crash, it appears that the plane may have hit the surface of the water for some distance before striking the retaining wall. There is a white streak which looks like spray before the orange/brown dust cloud.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Milwaukee WI
Age: 72
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From that posted video of the crash, it appears that the plane may have hit the surface of the water for some distance before striking the retaining wall. There is a white streak which looks like spray before the orange/brown dust cloud.
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: ADAMS
Age: 53
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Too low, too slow, too late.
Intercepting a glide slope from above involves shifting from the rate of descent used to intercept to the rate of descent to maintain the glide slope. For most that is a more difficult maneuver than flying level and beginning a descent when intercepting the glide slope.
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Formerly in Seoul
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I was employed by Korean Air some years ago. As indicated by previous posters, Koreans are not able to fly visual approaches, despite simulator sessions that profess to teach them how. They are totally lost without an ILS (think back to the Korean 747 classic accident in Guam!).
On one occasion I elected to fly a visual approach to 31L in JFK instead of going to 31R, this saved a lot of taxi time after landing). I was called to the office to explain why I flew a visual approach and did not use the ILS!
FOQA data was designed to be used as a trend indicator, however Korean used it for punitive measures so it is not surprising that local pilots would take whatever measures were required to avoid exceeding the laid down parameters.
On one occasion I elected to fly a visual approach to 31L in JFK instead of going to 31R, this saved a lot of taxi time after landing). I was called to the office to explain why I flew a visual approach and did not use the ILS!
FOQA data was designed to be used as a trend indicator, however Korean used it for punitive measures so it is not surprising that local pilots would take whatever measures were required to avoid exceeding the laid down parameters.
Last edited by Won2Go; 8th Jul 2013 at 01:04.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Milwaukee WI
Age: 72
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No, in thirteen years of operating at LHR I have NEVER seen the ILS for an active runway OTS. All maintenance is done at night, and the active runway is switched for short term failures. LHR has CAT111 no decision on all runways, so there is a lot of redundancy to allow for failures.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,307
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not being familiar with a 777, what would have caused that intense fire? Didn't look like the fuel tanks ruptured and started the fire. Does the 777 carry LOX near the main cabin area or is there just that much flammable material in the cabin?
Oxygen lines to the PSUs
Perhaps an unfortunate combination of power and shorted wiring would do this.
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: flyover country USA
Age: 82
Posts: 4,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If the plane had hit the water, wouldn't the immediate effect have been to slam the nose down? It's possible the white streak was a result of the engine thrust on the surface of the water.