Ryanair Overheats Passengers At Eindhoven Airport
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My wife is the one who books our family holidays, she greatly enjoys doing so.
I have laid down just one rule:
Do not book any flights with this company. I'd rather hitch-hike.
I have laid down just one rule:
Do not book any flights with this company. I'd rather hitch-hike.
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Well, nowadays there are a lot of airfields in Europe that won't let you run an APU on the ground for more than 15 minutes before departure (Stansted was one) and running an engine on the ramp was an absolute no-no.
If Commanders have not got the b***s (moral fibre) to make best decisions for the safety and welfare of passengers then we, as a society, have really lost the plot.
I am reminded of a time in history when certain people were asked about their actions and they said "We were just following orders".
We are not talking about passengers feeling a little discomfort here - given the conditions in the cabin with such OATs and lack of aircon, it's not inconceivable that a passenger could end up dieing. If this happened I wouldn't like to be in the Captain's shoes under cross examination.
These are not the actions of a civilized society.
I am reminded of a time in history when certain people were asked about their actions and they said "We were just following orders".
We are not talking about passengers feeling a little discomfort here - given the conditions in the cabin with such OATs and lack of aircon, it's not inconceivable that a passenger could end up dieing. If this happened I wouldn't like to be in the Captain's shoes under cross examination.
These are not the actions of a civilized society.
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Dispatching with an inoperative APU alongside dealing with high outside temperatures was an RST module less than one year ago. Crews were trained in use of ground carts, external air, keeping doors open, recirc fans on, use of SPs for hot weather operations. I distinctly remember my instructor discussing up loading extra fuel and running a pack whilst single engine. Dont remember this in any course literature though!!!
Problem is FR have a policy of keeping pax on aircraft for 2 to 3 hours when awaiting slot improvement. You add the issue of EIN not having steps to facilitate doors remaining open (ie the L2 door), no external cart capable of running packs and the possibility of being too bloody noise sensitive for a prolonged s/e taxi.
Easy to say ops shouldn't have dispatched this aircraft from PMI, however I often note that the ops controller can overlook this (not enough manpower) or simply no other aircraft available to dispatch. Pretty sure engineering at PMI is next to non existent as well.
The crew would have been more than aware of the SVQ incident. I'm not sure of the whole facts, however I wouldn't regard this as being black and white. IALPA might blame corporate attitude. They may cite that the commander had been placed under pressure. I dont know? More incidents such as fender benders, declaring fuel emergencies and cooking pax may actually expose this? MOL may be arguing that not all publicity is good publicity
Problem is FR have a policy of keeping pax on aircraft for 2 to 3 hours when awaiting slot improvement. You add the issue of EIN not having steps to facilitate doors remaining open (ie the L2 door), no external cart capable of running packs and the possibility of being too bloody noise sensitive for a prolonged s/e taxi.
Easy to say ops shouldn't have dispatched this aircraft from PMI, however I often note that the ops controller can overlook this (not enough manpower) or simply no other aircraft available to dispatch. Pretty sure engineering at PMI is next to non existent as well.
The crew would have been more than aware of the SVQ incident. I'm not sure of the whole facts, however I wouldn't regard this as being black and white. IALPA might blame corporate attitude. They may cite that the commander had been placed under pressure. I dont know? More incidents such as fender benders, declaring fuel emergencies and cooking pax may actually expose this? MOL may be arguing that not all publicity is good publicity
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Currently doing the rounds on Facebook and probably the wrong place to post it, or even already posted, but anyway....
When flying from Alicante to Bristol yesterday, I had previously checked in on-line but because I hadn't printed out the Boarding Passes, Ryanair charged me €60 per person!!! Meaning I had to pay €300 for them to print out a piece of paper! Please 'like' if you think that's unfair... :-(
When flying from Alicante to Bristol yesterday, I had previously checked in on-line but because I hadn't printed out the Boarding Passes, Ryanair charged me €60 per person!!! Meaning I had to pay €300 for them to print out a piece of paper! Please 'like' if you think that's unfair... :-(
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Here another short video of the incident. Mostly in dutch. You see a small girl who almost fainted because of the heath. The bold guy is a DJ and urging the handling agent to have a look inside the aircraft so they can see the situation and feel the heath. Pax seemed to be locked up in the aircraft with nobody of the crew really taking care of the pax.
Mensen willen uit vliegtuig!! #Ryanair
Yesterday there was another example of bad pax treatment of Ryanair. A pregnant women was denied boarding.
Mensen willen uit vliegtuig!! #Ryanair
Yesterday there was another example of bad pax treatment of Ryanair. A pregnant women was denied boarding.
When flying from Alicante to Bristol yesterday, I had previously checked in on-line but because I hadn't printed out the Boarding Passes, Ryanair charged me €60 per person!!! Meaning I had to pay €300 for them to print out a piece of paper! Please 'like' if you think that's unfair... :-(
Problem is FR have a policy of keeping pax on aircraft for 2 to 3 hours when awaiting slot improvement.
But then I forgot this Company doesn't take any notice of those with lots of experience!
Im guessing the grumble was about the cost rather than anything else......
Some friends of mine were booking Ryanair to go to Prague a few years ago - when the person doing the booking got to the end of the process and saw what the credit card surcharges were for just using one credit card he decided that on principle they would not fly Ryanair and frankly I agree with him.
Until more people start voting with their feet nothing will change. Am not anti Ryanair by the way - I happen to think that more often than not they offer good value for money despite the charges etc. It's just that I would never fly with them unless they were the only carrier available on the route for all the reasons we are discussing here.
119.4, ps like the frequency - reminds me of the good old days!
Even at Ryanair, I'm quite sure they wouldn't sack you for asking for a set of steps to be brought to the forward and rear doors so that they could be opened.
This, in my opinion, is why the crews at Ryanair desperately need union representation. It wouldn't solve all the problems overnight but it would cause the bullies in the upper echelons of the Company to alter their tactics and think twice before applying any pressure.
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To the crew. This is shameful. Captain, go and grow a backbone. I don't accept some people saying "we didn't want to upset the company"…."Hot Passengers" section in the Ops Manuals dont exist. No common sense used. This is completely unprofessional. Pax overheating and nothing being done is negligent to the n'th degree. This is just so bizarre and reflects an aweful attitude to deal with a VERY simple issue.
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Since the sweat glands are not fully developed in kids and infants they can easily overheat and literally pass away.
Absolutely disgraceful by the the person in command.
However, if pax calls a medical emergency
Absolutely disgraceful by the the person in command.
However, if pax calls a medical emergency
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Stick to the facts please. What happened in EIN is a very serious safety issue but we don't need people spewing half-truths, thanks.
Was stuck on another LoCo carrier witing in the Mediterranean sun two years ago. No APU we were told, so the doors were opened in attempt to cool the cabin. It got down to about 40 from 45ish. But I noticed we had no problems starting the engines during the pushback!
OK, you can argue we got what we paid for, but we paid quite a lot for those "Low Cost" tickets.
OK, you can argue we got what we paid for, but we paid quite a lot for those "Low Cost" tickets.
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Wonder if the Captain was Eastern European. Don't take that the wrong way, it's just that some of the older ones haven't yet fully grown out of the old "thou shall not question or use initiative" doctrine they were accustomed to for a long time.
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Originally Posted by fireflybob
If Commanders have not got the b***s (moral fibre) to make best decisions for the safety and welfare of passengers then we, as a society, have really lost the plot.
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Sounds like a Richard Head.
I can't trump commanders not wanting to risk the wrath of the airline management, I had one who just didn't care. About 8 or 9 years ago I was returning from Faro to BHX on MyTravel. It was late June, a sunny day and it was a lunch time/early afternoon flight. We were delayed for two and a half hours on the tarmac. It got rather hot and the aircon was not running. There was almost a mutiny before at last they brought out a small amount of water for each passenger. The captain then came out and told us (paraphrase) "None of you have got any reason to complain, I know how much you paid for these flights". He thought he was being funny, being kept on a plane in that heat, without water until near there end, had taken away everybody's sense of humour. I wonder if anyone could guess the name of the pilot.
Trouble is in said Company they'd probably expect the money plus some extra charges for "handling".