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Old 29th Jul 2012, 06:04
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Ryanair fender bender

Revealed on the link below, that in May 2011 a Ryanair B738, whilst taxying for departure 25L at Barcelona had a ground collision with a stationary aircraft. The crew of the other aircraft were unaware there was a collision, and both aircraft flew to destination without being examined.

Incident: Ryanair B738 and American B763 at Barcelona on May 27th 2011, both aircraft departed despite ground collision and passenger complaints
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 16:09
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Preliminary CIAIAC report (in Spanish only) here:

14-04-2011. EI-EKB. Boeing 737-8AS. Aeropuerto de Barcelona - 2011 - Investigación - CIAIAC - Órganos Colegiados - Ministerio de Fomento
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 16:27
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Another Ryanair tale

This is being discussed on avherald:

Accident: Ryanair B738 and American B763 at Barcelona on Apr 14th 2011, both aircraft departed despite ground collision and passenger complaints


An American Airlines
Boeing 767-300, registration N366AA performing flight AA-67 from Barcelona,SP
(Spain) to New York JFK,NY (USA), had taxied to the holding point runway 25L and
was holding short of the runway.

A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-EKB performing
flight FR-8136 from Barcelona,SP (Spain) to Ibiza,SP (Spain) with 169 passengers
and 6 crew, was taxiing along Barcelona's taxiway K for departure from runway
25L and was maneouvering to pass behind the Boeing 767-300.

A number of passengers on board of the Boeing 737-800
observed the right hand wing of the aircraft contact the tailplane of the Boeing
767-300 and rose out of their seats attracting the attention of a flight
attendant. A passenger told the flight attendant, that their aircraft had hit
the aircraft besides them. The flight attendant contacted the purser, who
instructed her to contact the flight deck, she contacted the flight deck and
informed the captain that passengers had seen their aircraft had hit another
aircraft. The captain responded however everything was fine and she continued with the takeoff about 2 minutes after the Boeing 767.



























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Old 29th Jul 2012, 17:24
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1. How does Ryanair manage to 'cover up' all their incidents in that the media never appears to get hold of them. And yes htere si a long list.

2. I am lost for words that an airline captain should take off knowing there had been a coming together.Engineering inspection being a must surely?
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If I did that my company would fire me..... No questions asked
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 17:56
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2. I am lost for words that an airline captain should take off knowing there had been a coming together.Engineering inspection being a must surely?
Not just one but both captains took off, is it feasible that the crew of the 767 didn't notice it?
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The most damning aspect of it is that (AFAIK) the "Captain" is still employed, albeit in the other seat

I am further told that the crew of the 767 were unaware, and were not (of course, as it was all "OK" ) made aware by the FR crew, of the "possible" collision. Given the "sue them for all they are worth" mentality on the West side of the pond, I would have thought some enterprising Lawyer could cobble up an excellent case for sueing the hell out of either Ms Capt &/or Ryanair.
Never mind the risk to ones own aircraft, what a liberty to decide "sod it the other guy has to take the same chance I am taking" . Sorry, but that is criminal negligence, + endangering another aircraft, pure & simple.

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Out of interest from a helicopter pilot, what would any fixed wing crew members who were flying as passengers have done on witnessing the same or similar events on board a commercial airliner ?

If you were absolutely certain of what you had seen, would you take steps to make the aircraft return to the gate after the captain had decided otherwise.
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If they ignored my objections ? Walk to the front & open the exit thereby blowing the slide if I was 101% sure. . . .and no, not joking.

Really surprised the Eng didn't take it further, they are not normally "shy retiring" types
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As mentioned before, they not only knowingly departed without engineering inspection, they also failed to notify the AA 767 or ATC and let it depart too. What if the 767 had elevator damage? Disgraceful in all aspects if true.
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 19:22
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Hey C P S, I was told they demoted her so she left. I am defo with you on not just sitting there while they get airborne after that.
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 19:28
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Hey Captainplaystation. Don't forget your action of blowing the slide might get you banned from ever flying Ryanair again! That would be a real shame ;-)
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 19:34
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I agree with all that's been said, no excuses for the fr captain. If that had happened in a car for example and the offender had left the scene of the accident without swapping addresses, then that's a criminal offence??
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 19:43
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If it's true - then what is the point of the FO on that flight if they just sat there and potentially allowed the captain to make such a decision
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 21:03
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It does make you wonder, and I often do, what the reaction of cabin crew would actually be in an instance like this. It will be interesting to find out, as we surely will eventually, what conversations actually took place.
I know for certain that if I was sure something was wrong then I would be up out of my seat, and, not get back in it again until something was done.
If the photos are correct the crew of the RYR must have surely have been able to see the damage to the AA. If they did and did nothing about it I find that incredible.
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So why isn't Spain making a bit more fuss about this, bearing in mind that AENA have now bowed to MOR's wishes with regard to the agreement at Alicante (El Altet) that Ryanair passengers may now walk to and from the aircraft? Could the answer be that Spain is desperate for tourist revenue?
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SunnyJohn, Aena s debt creditors are Irish. Why do you think RYRY gets away with so much??

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Old 29th Jul 2012, 21:13
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The 767 had substantial damage to the elevator section, see the link further up the page for pics.

This should see Ryanair and the Cpt, who failed to notify both ATC and the 767 crew of the damage, up on criminal negligence charges.

How would Ryanair have reacted had the 767 elevators failed to perform upon take off. An absolutely shambolic situation.
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 21:21
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It will be interesting to find out, as we surely will eventually, what conversations actually took place.
According to the official report:

"The FA seems to have been unaware of the safety implications of the information she was providing. First, she rang only once, instead of the three times that, as stated by the flight crew, are procedurally required if a condition poses a threat to safety. As the captain noted, this predisposed her to not place too much importance on the report. Secondly, the FA began her report with "I'm sorry to bother you, I know I'm not supposed to ...", as she stated, or with "For your information only", according to the captain's statement. In any event, either expression indicates hesitation regarding whether or not she should have interrupted the pilots' activities with this report.

Another indication of the poor communication is the fact that when recounting her conversation with the captain, the FA described the captain's explanation as involving "aviation terminology", which suggests that the FA was not familiar with the language used by the pilot.

The fact that the captain believed only one passenger, and not several, had reported the collision is further proof of this miscommunication and proved critical to her assessment of the situation, as she herself stated."
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Old 29th Jul 2012, 23:24
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Oh the biscuit chuckers are to blame, coz they didn't do the correct procedure and didn't explain it properly. I love a happy ending.

I wonder if anyone was looking back out the right cockpit window to see there was clearance as it clattered the 767?

I wonder what speed they were taxying at, and were they in a hurry?

I wonder why nobody noticed the trashed winglet at Ibiza?

I wonder if the 767 had crashed into the middle of the Atlantic killing all on board, and they parked the 738 at Barcelona overnight, they might have got away with it, the ramp bunnies could have carried the can for the winglet, smacked it with a truck they did, honest guv?

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