plane crash in Lagos Nigeria
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
Posts: 3,780
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Inaccurate fuel gauges? Drip stick miscalculation? FDR results will answer many questions!
@Pali, most MD 80 series aircraft I have observed on the ground seem to have a rather pronounced nose up stab position prior to takeoff and during landing, could be a visual illusion not sore....
@Pali, most MD 80 series aircraft I have observed on the ground seem to have a rather pronounced nose up stab position prior to takeoff and during landing, could be a visual illusion not sore....
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On the western edge of The Moor
Age: 67
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A comment on the BBC site suggests it hit a printing works as well as house. A printing works suggests paper and ink both of which are going to burn well irrespective of fuel on the aircraft
Going by the street names they mentioned for the crash location and the fact they crashed near the VOR (which is South of the Rwy) I was just assuming they crashed South of the airport!?
Did they crash near the NDB then instead of the VOR?
Are we sure they came in from the North?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: fort sheridan, il
Posts: 1,656
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
VERTICAL Stabilizers nose up? HUH? It would be the horizontal stabilizer not VERTICAL.
IF you are slowing for approach, the trim is more nose up ...that simple.
if someone would like to summerize what is really KNOWN as of now...that simplifies the thread.
someone did say something about zig zagging...could it be the result of ONE engine going out and the crew not responding correctly?
we all train for engine out on takeoff...but engine out in descent/approach can be very tricky if you aren't UP for it.
IF you are slowing for approach, the trim is more nose up ...that simple.
if someone would like to summerize what is really KNOWN as of now...that simplifies the thread.
someone did say something about zig zagging...could it be the result of ONE engine going out and the crew not responding correctly?
we all train for engine out on takeoff...but engine out in descent/approach can be very tricky if you aren't UP for it.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UAE
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Henra give it up...its not important...the VOR is not south of the RWY they were approaching RWY 18L which means they were heading south ie coming from the NORTH over the Land. The LAG VOR is 6.7 NM before RWY 18L and there are NO NDB`s in Nigeria. Although they may be depicted on charts.
Henra give it up...its not important...the VOR is not south of the RWY they were approaching RWY 18L which means they were heading south ie coming from the NORTH over the Land. The LAG VOR is 6.7 NM before RWY 18L and there are NO NDB`s in Nigeria. Although they may be depicted on charts.
Thanks for the correction.
Then you can scrap my glide ratios. We are rather talking flying brick ratio then (8-10:1) also matching better to a complete double flameout in possibly less than best glide speed and config.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UAE
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We have no idea what ALT they were at also when they lost power etc. The last clearance for APP for 18L is 2200` and i`m sure knowing the APP controllers they would have cleared them etc to 2200` and to establish for 18L in order to try and expedite them if its true a MAYDAY had been declared.
Anyway a really sad event for aviation.
I hope the investigation is quick and a cause becomes known.
Anyway a really sad event for aviation.
I hope the investigation is quick and a cause becomes known.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Texas, like a whole other country
Posts: 444
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
1 Post
Have the crew names been released?
The pilot declared an emergency as the plane was on final approach to Murtala Muhammed International Airport, and witnesses said it appeared the plane was having engine trouble, said Oscar Wason, Dana Air's director of operations.
Wason identified the pilot as Peter Waxtan, an American, and the first officer as Mike Mahendra, from India.
Waxtan had joined Dana Air on March 26. He was a captain for Spirit Airlines based in South Florida from 1997 to 2009, the airline said.
He also flew for Falcon Air Express, a charter airline in Miami, CNN affiliate WPEC reported.
Wason identified the pilot as Peter Waxtan, an American, and the first officer as Mike Mahendra, from India.
Waxtan had joined Dana Air on March 26. He was a captain for Spirit Airlines based in South Florida from 1997 to 2009, the airline said.
He also flew for Falcon Air Express, a charter airline in Miami, CNN affiliate WPEC reported.
Last edited by Carbon Bootprint; 6th Jun 2012 at 03:01. Reason: OMG this new edit tag is rubbish.
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I personally knew and flew with Pete Waxton. He was a superb pilot. The accident investigation will not show pilot error other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Italy
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Stabilizer
On the MD 80 if you are heavy for landing the aircraft is always very nose heavy resulting in many times landing with almost full nose up at the trim - completely normal for the type .
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,416
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Then you can scrap my glide ratios.
I come here, without much expectation, for some informed guesswork on the grounds that there's nothing else likely to come out for a long time. For example, speculation by MD 80 series pilots and/or engineers who know Lagos, with recent experience in both, would be interesting and we would understand its limitations.
Could the MS Flight Sim crowd and other ill-informed, ill-qualified and self-appointed accident investigators please start another thread in Jetblast?
FWIW, henra has made thoughtful and valuable contributions here to Pprune discussions on a variety of topics. Not fair to denigrate him thusly. 
That said, I agree that what you seek (input from Lagos familiar and MD-80 familiar folk) is for my money the best info (early on) to give those of us interested a context and understanding of the challenges the crew faced.
That said, I agree that what you seek (input from Lagos familiar and MD-80 familiar folk) is for my money the best info (early on) to give those of us interested a context and understanding of the challenges the crew faced.
Agree Lonewolf_50...Henra's contributions over the years are worth reading.
In fact it's a brave poster here who admits he-she doesn't know something or has made a mistake.
Part of joining the conversation is knowing when to be quietly patient, suspending judgement in favour of curiosity. Our instant-communication texting world has taught us to judge very swiftly and without a lot of thought, as though we actually know who we're talking to here.
In fact it's a brave poster here who admits he-she doesn't know something or has made a mistake.
Part of joining the conversation is knowing when to be quietly patient, suspending judgement in favour of curiosity. Our instant-communication texting world has taught us to judge very swiftly and without a lot of thought, as though we actually know who we're talking to here.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: LOS
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The cause of the crash on a sunny, clear Sunday afternoon remains unknown. The flight's captain radioed Lagos as the aircraft approached and declared an emergency, saying both of the MD-83's engines had failed, Aviation Minister Stella Oduah said Wednesday. The plane crashed minutes later.Ogboro and others declined to speculate what could have made both of the aircraft's Pratt and Whitney engines go out in the last minutes of the flight. The aircraft, manufactured by McDonnell-Douglas which was later bought by Boeing, requires a flight engineer to manage the fuel supply while in operation rather than having a computer monitoring it like on newer aircraft.
Bad reporting? Never heard of an engineer on MD83s.
Bad reporting? Never heard of an engineer on MD83s.
Probably wasn't wearing epalutes
definitions definitions
Apologies accepted and at the same time admitting that you were right with your criticism. Guesswork based on unreliable/missing information from my side. Should have kept quiet and will now try to do so at least until some really reliable and more detailed information is avaible.