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Chinese Pilot refused to give way to Qatar Aw. Emergency

Old 14th Sep 2011, 23:04
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Kalistan...well said and I certainly agree with you. Glad you are not of the herd that graze all over this awesome planet of ours. I take issue though at the use of the world " sheeple "; sheep are docile but not stupid. We can't say that about the homo sapien mobs who swallow the mainstream media's brainwashing line, hook and sinker!

Having said that, let's get back to Chinese ATC....their procedures sucks and the airways structure is utter nonsense. Coming into approach frequency into PEK with loads of radar vectors and 3 to 4 runway changes is utterly ridiculous as far as ATC procedures are concerned. It's time Chinese authorities get their CAAC to work out with the military to widen the use of their airspace.

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Old 15th Sep 2011, 05:24
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Chinese ATC....their procedures sucks and the airways structure is utter nonsense. Coming into approach frequency into PEK with loads of radar vectors and 3 to 4 runway changes is utterly ridiculous as far as ATC procedures are concerned. It's time Chinese authorities get their CAAC to work out with the military to widen the use of their airspace.
... Chinese need to be a little bit more humble to learn from who already experienced the same problem 20 years ago! They can learn form the demon English speaker western world ... or they can have a look of other not-native English speaking Country. Do not underestimate the possibilities to learn from other mistakes too!

In the Aviation Show Business speaking the same language is pretty damn important ... cheating on how good is your English is NOT the best solution to solve your fast growing problem!
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 14:27
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Being from the subcontinent I am often flabbergasted by my country's politicians' utter buffonery in echoing China bashing rhetoric instead of learning constructively from that nation's difficult rise in the face of total and absolute sabotage from the western world.
Learning? Oh yeah, it isn't hard getting things done in a dictatorship by keeping your people under strict control of the military.

I don't need media to tell me this, I see it plainly when I go there myself.

Oh, and I guess the little mess in Beijing 20 years ago was also the media bashing the Chinese.

Get a clue
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 15:36
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Quantitative Easing benefits holders of US treasuries

@Kalistan,

"The QE2 meant to dilute value of Chinese foreign reserves, all sorts of tricks and procedural barriers to stymie its growth and influence"

Chinese dollar denominated reserves are in US treasuries and those treasuries are what is purchased with newly printed dollars. In fact, even though there is not a new round of quantitative easing, the federal reserve has guaranteed that interest rates will not be allowed to rise for 2 years. That preserves the value of the treasuries that China holds.

The benefit of new printed fiat currency goes to those who get first access to it before its lower value is recognized, and in this case that is the Chinese.

Frankly, the Chinese might be better off if those new dollars were directly given to the American consumer, because then China might be experiencing double digit growth again, and there might be more workers employed in the US to honor those dollars.

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, don't spread every conspiracy theory you hear.
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 21:18
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Sqwak, I see a bigoted paranoia running through your veins. The first world had the mess too and are now getting into one of a slightly different nature.

Twenty years ago the wily and diabolical shadowy forces of the first world tried their tricks ( after they had their luck with the Soviet bloc ) and perpetrated their pre emptive strike to curtail the rise of China. Thankfully that failed, otherwise there would have been a break up like the USSR and the nation plunged into chaos and anarchy.
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 23:45
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"Frankly, the Chinese might be better off if those new dollars were directly given to the American consumer, because then China might be experiencing double digit growth again, and there might be more workers employed in the US to honor those dollars."

Interesting thought.

Even with a huge population becoming middle class, without the US and Europe booming, China will suffer a slow down. You can only build so many vacant cities !!!
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 06:23
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... just a matter of time!

Twenty years ago the wily and diabolical shadowy forces of the first world tried their tricks ( after they had their luck with the Soviet bloc ) and perpetrated their pre emptive strike to curtail the rise of China. Thankfully that failed, otherwise there would have been a break up like the USSR and the nation plunged into chaos and anarchy.
... and you know it is really just a matter of time ... as soon as the government will allowed Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc you will see something similar to what's going on in North Africa and Syria... and
... and such a dramatic devastation like a civil war is NOT what the demon western world wants for the simple reason they will loose cheap labor and strategic financial connection to a well know corrupted system.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 08:00
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The speculation is interesting to read but worthless. And if your making guesses and have never flown in Mainland China its rated at negative worth.

China just like many other governments will progress slowly in these improvements until something disastrous happens. I don't know many other governments in the world modernizing their infrastructure at mach speeds either. The norm is to maximize the system until almost total chaos or an accident happens and then build improvement.

The airspace situation here in China is a problem and the Military is one of them. They need to cede more control to the CAAC.

The Chinese Military is not keen or intimidated to give any of their power away.

I'll give you two examples:

1: A Western company in TEDA ships chemicals in from 2 hours south of the city. They hire ex-military and current military drivers to avoid the police from "fines"

2: In Tianjin on the approach to the 16s the military decided to build a communications tower on the approach.....without telling anyone. The CAAC went bezerk. CAAC vs. Military = Military all the time. Almost vfr minimus for runway 16 and a useless ILS.

I can't see anything we as lowai can do except be vigilant, carry extra gas, and do not let yourself get near minimum fuel in China EVER. And maybe that's what these pilots were doing. They had fuel but they had their personal bingo fuel numbers and in China all your alternates can close instantly because their are no parking spots. Some of your alternates just refuse to take you at all. You have to work out your own system.

You wanted those four bars so here's the test and here of the keys. Bring her back in one piece.

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Old 17th Sep 2011, 02:00
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sqwuak7700, dont feed the trolls.
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