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Old 24th Jan 2011, 08:16
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Unless the rules have changed, they get a temp airside pass which means they are accompanied by someone, who has been vetted, at all times.
Yep, that will work when the accompanier is whacked over the head with a shovel and the non-vetted person can walk around the airfield with impunity
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 11:51
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Airport bans toy soldier's three-inch rifle from plane... because it's a safety threat | Mail Online

Airport officials ordered a holidaymaker carrying a toy soldier onto a plane to remove its three-inch gun - because it was a safety threat.

Ken Lloyd was stunned when he was told he could not go on the plane with the nine-inch model soldier because it was carrying a 'firearm'.

The Canadian tourist and his wife had bought the toy, which holds a replica SA80 rifle, during a visit to the Royal Signals Museum at Blandford Camp in Dorset.


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A spokeswoman for Gatwick Airport said: 'Items including firearms and items with the appearance of firearms are prohibited.
yep, i feel soo much safer!

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 20:46
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Airport officials ordered a holidaymaker carrying a toy soldier onto a plane to remove its three-inch gun - because it was a safety threat.

Ken Lloyd was stunned when he was told he could not go on the plane with the nine-inch model soldier because it was carrying a 'firearm'.

The Canadian tourist and his wife had bought the toy, which holds a replica SA80 rifle, during a visit to the Royal Signals Museum at Blandford Camp in Dorset.


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A spokeswoman for Gatwick Airport said: 'Items including firearms and items with the appearance of firearms are prohibited.
yep, i feel soo much safer!
You really couldn't make it up.

Just doing some quick maths a normal SA 80 is 900mm long, this "gun" was 76mm long.

So if you want the same muzzle velocity that a real Sa 80 has firing at around 950 m/s then, well I can't be bothered with the actual maths, but it would be about the size of a grain of sand.

Due to continuing stupidity by these lunatics, I often ask the question, are they taking the mick?
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 14:37
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Meanwhile ...

BBC News - Police hunt US-bought guns smuggled in hold luggage

"Police hunt US-bought guns smuggled in hold luggage"
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 15:23
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Question Bottled water went missing !

Wife and I at Brussels had to drink remains of some water left in a small plastic bottle. OK we said but then were told that we could not take the now empty bottle on board as it still contained some liquid in it, didn't count the drops I'm sorry. Mind is still boggling !
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 17:13
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American Steven Greenoe, 37, is accused in the US of smuggling 62 guns into the UK, including Glock and Ruger 9mm pistols.
Police fear many were sold on to criminal gangs in north-west England.
Documents posted in US courts reveal US officials questioned Mr Greenoe about the dismantled guns in his luggage, but he talked his way on to a flight
I think it was in JB, but one of the posters relayed an event, IIRCC in Florida, where serving military personnel had to pass their issued firearms, through the x-ray machines.

it really doesnt get more bizarre than that.

or does it....


TSA Told To Tell Children That Groping Them Is A Game... Horrifying Sex Abuse Experts
from the that's-not-a-game dept


Apparently TSA agents are being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of "game." This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse cases is to tell the kids that they're just "playing a game." The TSA has said that the newer patdowns will not apply to children under 12, but the rules have been somewhat unclear -- leading to the statement from a TSA director, James Marchand:
"You try to make it as best you can for that child to come through. If you can come up with some kind of a game to play with a child, it makes it a lot easier."
He also said that the idea of making it a game would become a part of the TSA's training. Ken Wooden, who runs an organization to try to stop sex abuse of children was not pleased:
"How can experts working at the TSA be so incredibly misinformed and misguided to suggest that full body pat downs for children be portrayed as a game?" Wooden asked in an email. "To do so is completely contrary to what we in the sexual abuse prevention field have been trying to accomplish for the past thirty years."

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Old 28th Jan 2011, 18:54
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Security at maximum rate in UK

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This demonstrates once again the stupidity of those security people and system
That we put these people accountable to a platoon of execution .. so they know what a real firearm is.
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 19:36
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Sh1t, I've got to go to BHX day after tomorrow. Now that'll be fun.

Hope, I can keep my mouth shut.

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Old 28th Jan 2011, 23:45
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I think everyone needs to get down to the local model shop, buy a few of these and bung 'em in your carry on luggage. Definitely entertaining but also would make the important point: that the system has lost the plot.

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STN Security issue for staff - contact info

This may well be the wrong place to post but I could not find the section for security issues

I had a problem in STN last week with my bag size going through staff security VP9, I work as flight deck for Ryanair and Jumpseat through there to my base or where ever they are sending me that week, I sometimes need to take a large bag with me to put in the hold or behind the trolleys in the galley.

For the last 3 years its been fine, last week some jumped up said it was to big and I had to check it in, as I don't have a ticket jumpseating thats not an option, I ended up going through various different levels of security management and wasting 20mins and got a yes JUST THIS ONCE! i was told (what about the 3 years its been fine?)

So anyway I want to contact them for a memo they apparently had a few months ago about what we can and cant take through security as crew so I can either bring the issue to the attention of the company with problems been out of base then, or tell them to do one as there making stuff up which I believe to be the case

Does anyone have this memo from previously enquiring or know the correct contact info for this as the website is all passenger based with no "Contact us" option, and its not a passenger query I have.

???
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Old 2nd Feb 2011, 23:03
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Sorry I cannot really help with the specifics of what you are asking for, but why not just sue the ? There is no legal basis whatsobuggeringever for what they do.
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Old 2nd Feb 2011, 23:10
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Sorry can't help you with the memo.
Once the bag has been X-rayed/searched what on earth has the size got to do with security? It's just another example of another UK poorly thought out system, together with giving a modicum of power to someone who isn't responsible enough to wield it.
Get to work buddy and make their eyes water!
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Old 2nd Feb 2011, 23:41
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Originally Posted by jester42
Once the bag has been X-rayed/searched what on earth has the size got to do with security?
Yes, you may well wonder that. Likewise for number/quantity of bags.

It all arises from the targets the government has set for processing time at security. Rather than provide adequate resources, let alone a little slack in the system to turn out just a bit better than those targets, a number of security managements have unilaterally imposed these restrictions as a way of minimising the amount of work they have to do and therefore just manage to come inside the target time by reducing what they do.
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Old 2nd Feb 2011, 23:49
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Stupid restrictions... on paper please.

Ask them for an explanation on paper.
Go with that to the security chief or management and tell them it's your right to have a bag, it's their job to check it.
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Old 2nd Feb 2011, 23:56
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get talking to the duty manager in STN,she helped me out a few years back regarding jump seat travel.they just would not let me through so i wanted to speak to a more senior person,they refused so i eventually got the number from crew control!!
those guys in STN should be thought a few lessons imho.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 08:52
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The memo is a BAA memo (available in the crewroom). The reference is BAA DN/44/10 and it sets out the requirements for crew taking hold baggage airside. I keep the reference in the notes on my phone for just such an occasion!
BTW I think the rule is that you have to go through Enterprise House if you have hold baggage so that is why you may have problems at VP9. I've never had any issues at Enterprise House - although I did see a guy once getting told he couldn't take his bag through. Then again, it was a fully loaded huge Samsonite case.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 13:17
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My BHX overnight went fine, the security was as always:

A bit grumpy but not unfriendly, my briefcase was searched after I had agreed to it, and aside from looking into the case of my spareglasses nothing special was done.

I forgot to buy toy soldiers, so there were no complaints.

So aside from the utter senslesness of having to put liquids into a plastic bag, there's nothing to complain about for me.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 19:26
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Does anyone know the jobs worth who was on duty at Southampton Airport at around 6.30 last night? If you do tell him what a **** my family think he is.

Not only is the security at the Airport some of the strictest anywhere that I have travelled and I do travel a lot. They also seem to employ staff who know how to rub their passengers up the wrong way by their amazingly rude attitude. It is not only the one guy but the majority, not all, of the staff.

Let us be fair you do not have to have many brain cells to perform the task but there is no need to take their inadequacies out on the travelling public.

This guy shouted at me three times, each time louder and more threateningly "Empty your pockets" when he could see that I was just about to do that after his first request. Most airports accept change in pocket which I asked him about removing. The thing that got me pretty cross was that there was not a please in amongst his demands. It was only when I looked at him and said "please" did he utter the word reluctantly. I was hopeful that he was remorseful but no. His next request was just one word. "Watch!" I duly removed it as, of course, in all things these half wits have the ultimate authority and ability to thoroughly disrupt your life. It used to be fun to fly but no longer especially through Southampton Airport. Rant over until the next time I use the Airport.

All I wanted was the word please!
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Old 4th Feb 2011, 15:05
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stn baggage control

Bang on the money, if Jumpseat crew wish to take hold luggage use VP2 (enterprise house) and arrange your & baggage collection by handling agent, who will of course ensure that hold luggage goes in the hold and not in to passenger area where of course the correct sized hand luggage fits.
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Old 4th Feb 2011, 15:24
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with no "Contact us" option
Apart from that thing that says "Contact Us" in the grey bar at the top ?

Well hidden I agree.... but then I guess you would if you were given the option of SLF phoning you every two minutes to find out if Granny's flight has arrived.
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