Time To Command ?

[vnavspeed]

Thought it might be interesting for a no-nonsense comparison of "quoted" time to Command in your Airline. Let's try and base the answers on known facts, not hearsay.

Let's also state aircraft type just for comparison.

I'll start, Britannia Airways (UK) B767/757 10 yrs.

[GMEDX]

B Med, direct entry command A320, so 0mins.
Ex Herc, Tornado, Jag, 5mins, OK maybe a bit more as they like 500hrs on type, has been done in less than a year.
Civvy trash 4years+.

[clockworkclown]

GMEDX, could you please explain what you mean by the phrase "civvy trash 4years+", I would hate to misunderstand you.

[driver1]

Civvy Trash? with that kind of arrogance u should not be in the right hand seat, never mind the left!

[This message has been edited by driver1 (edited 06 April 2001).]

[411A]

Civvy trash? Ah yes, another pearl of wisdom from the military left.

[Herod]

If I didn't think he was a wind up, I'd be ashamed to admit I am ex military. Sometimes I am anyway; but then, when I left, I left.

[snooky]

Maybe he is a wind up, but I find it sad that BA have BMed as a franchise, being as it is mainly ex air force. BA 3yrs or less to EOG command, 8yrs to mainline, 12yrs to longhaul.

[Midnight Blue]

Eurowings, Germany: ATR 42/72 3years

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Amazing isn't it how we can interpret things so radically differently depending upon the nature of the chip on our shoulders? I actually assumed that the guy was "Civvy" and that perhaps he had himself been "passed over" for command to the benefit of some military jock........

Ah well, the worlds full of them I s'pose. For me, military/civvy don't much care as long as he has command ability. Too few companies look for this when the chips are down and the schedule is about to collapse due to the lack of left seaters, all with the hours are welcome to apply and will be "shoehorned in to fit (well 'til they have the prerequisite 500 hours or so to develop a mouth and the old attitude slips out.....

Oh dear, did I say that?

By the way - used to be that Virgin Express Ireland would look at you once you had 3000 total, 1500 JAR25 including 500 on type (negotiable) and that for 737 Efis.

Course it's all somewhat academic now.......

[Kubota]

CX: D/E F/O 10 years. S/O: 13 - 18 years.

TRUE.

[mickg]

Monarch
6 years at the mo.

[ouzo]

If your dad is one of the owners of CTC
2700hrs total

[TowerDog]

Tower Air, B-747-100/200.
Right to left seat, 19 months.
4 years later back on the street as the horse I rode died.

RIP.

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Men, this is no drill...

[dallas dude]

At AA about 8-10 years to upgrade (subject to change with our new TWA step-children). Seventeen years from new hire to 777 Captain.

G-MEDX, you'll make a great radio operator, one day (unless, of course, I'm missing the subtle humour).

dd.

[Tex Murphy]

GMEDX, those “Civvy trash” taxpayers paid for your training!

TTFN

[Divhead]

Listen guys - GMEDX is an embittered person who is definitly not ex military - trust me on that one. Just because he took a while to get a command he has a giant chip on his shoulder. If your face fits and you're good enough - whatever your background BMed is a good place to get a quick command and can comfortably be done in 2 years. (PS GMEDX is shortly leaving BMed anyway)

[mindstorm]

Airtours: 2-3 years recently. May slow though now.

[behind_the_second_midland]

BA 2000/2001 casandra run. S/H mainline command bid after 5 years, course approx 6 yrs, although it will dry up and any two stripers now may get caught in a 10-15 year trap.

BTSM

[Nite_Flite]

SAS 10 years

[what_the_hell_was_that?]

Ouzo, I suggest that you go back and look at the title of the thread, it’s ‘time to command’, NOT 'number of hours'.

The fact that the aforementioned person has that amount of experience is neither here nor there. What is relevant is that of those 2700 hours, about 2500 of them are with easyJet on the B737-300. When it comes down to calculating ‘factored’ hours (as easyJet do) it’s probably the same as someone whose got maybe 4 or 5 thousand from flying other types of aircraft in other types of environments.

Also on the command course with him was another guy with similar experience whose parentage is in no way related to CTC, nor anything to do with easyJet. So how do you suggest he got there?

They both had to go through the same command selection process as everyone else. Maybe it’s the fact that he’s most likely to have his fourth bar before his 25th birthday that’s upsetting you?

I suggest that you get down to McDonalds and ask them to give you some money for that f***ing huge chip that you’ve got on your shoulder.

Tw@t