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Jet Airways 737 Engine Fire
News report of a 737-800 returning back to Mumbai due to engine fire.Evacuation with some minor injuries but details are a bit sketchy at present.
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From Times of India:-
MUMBAI: Mumbai airport saw unprecedented scenes on Friday evening when passengers of a Jet Airways flight to Chennai were asked to evacuate through emergency chutes after passengers saw smoke inside the cabin -- close to the left wing -- and pointed it out to the crew.
But the inflatable evacuation chutes at two of the exits near the middle of the aircraft failed to open, forcing many of the passengers to jump on to one of the wings and then jump down to the tarmac. Three of the panicky passengers suffered fractures and a dozen more received minor injuries in the process. All of them were given first aid by Mumbai International Airport Limited officials and those who suffered fractures were taken to hospital.
The incident took place around 9pm when flight 9W2302, already 45 minutes behind schedule, was on the taxiway of the airport just before take-off. "One of my co-passengers saw the smoke and immediately alerted the cabin crew," Shrikanth Barhate, one of the passengers aboard the Boeing 737 aircraft, told TOI minutes after the dramatic escape.
One cabin crew went into the cockpit to inform the commander as others searched for the source of the fire. "Then, all of a sudden, we were told to evacuate and the emergency exits were opened," Barhate said.
The front and rear exits of the flight were also thrown open, he added, but not too many people could use them because the aisle was crowded. "Many passengers, who were nearer the emergency exits in the middle, rushed there," he said.
It was there that the passengers realised that there was no inflatable slide to help them get off the aircraft and they would have to jump off the flight. Many of the fliers first jumped on to the wing and then jumped more than 12 feet to reach the tarmac, suffering fractures and bruises in the process.
Barhate himself suffered minor injuries. "I had taken off my shoes and was relaxing when the flight attendant barked out the evacuation orders. I just jumped off the aircraft with my shoes in hand," he said, adding that an elderly woman who jumped after him apparently sustained serious injuries.
An MIAL spokesperson confirmed the incident. "Jet Airway's flight to Chennai reported fire in one of its engines when it was still on the taxiway," the official said. "But no fire was detected," he said.
A Jet Airways spokesperson said the commander on board was informed of "an alleged engine fire". There was no visible trace of the fire but the commander still proceeded to declare a "precautionary emergency", the spokesperson said, adding that a "thorough inspection of the engine was carried out" after the evacuation.
Several flights taking off from Mumbai were delayed and many had to manoeuvre around the parked Jet Airways flight to reach the take-off point.
MUMBAI: Mumbai airport saw unprecedented scenes on Friday evening when passengers of a Jet Airways flight to Chennai were asked to evacuate through emergency chutes after passengers saw smoke inside the cabin -- close to the left wing -- and pointed it out to the crew.
But the inflatable evacuation chutes at two of the exits near the middle of the aircraft failed to open, forcing many of the passengers to jump on to one of the wings and then jump down to the tarmac. Three of the panicky passengers suffered fractures and a dozen more received minor injuries in the process. All of them were given first aid by Mumbai International Airport Limited officials and those who suffered fractures were taken to hospital.
The incident took place around 9pm when flight 9W2302, already 45 minutes behind schedule, was on the taxiway of the airport just before take-off. "One of my co-passengers saw the smoke and immediately alerted the cabin crew," Shrikanth Barhate, one of the passengers aboard the Boeing 737 aircraft, told TOI minutes after the dramatic escape.
One cabin crew went into the cockpit to inform the commander as others searched for the source of the fire. "Then, all of a sudden, we were told to evacuate and the emergency exits were opened," Barhate said.
The front and rear exits of the flight were also thrown open, he added, but not too many people could use them because the aisle was crowded. "Many passengers, who were nearer the emergency exits in the middle, rushed there," he said.
It was there that the passengers realised that there was no inflatable slide to help them get off the aircraft and they would have to jump off the flight. Many of the fliers first jumped on to the wing and then jumped more than 12 feet to reach the tarmac, suffering fractures and bruises in the process.
Barhate himself suffered minor injuries. "I had taken off my shoes and was relaxing when the flight attendant barked out the evacuation orders. I just jumped off the aircraft with my shoes in hand," he said, adding that an elderly woman who jumped after him apparently sustained serious injuries.
An MIAL spokesperson confirmed the incident. "Jet Airway's flight to Chennai reported fire in one of its engines when it was still on the taxiway," the official said. "But no fire was detected," he said.
A Jet Airways spokesperson said the commander on board was informed of "an alleged engine fire". There was no visible trace of the fire but the commander still proceeded to declare a "precautionary emergency", the spokesperson said, adding that a "thorough inspection of the engine was carried out" after the evacuation.
Several flights taking off from Mumbai were delayed and many had to manoeuvre around the parked Jet Airways flight to reach the take-off point.
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QUOTE "But the inflatable evacuation chutes at two of the exits near the middle of the aircraft failed to open, forcing many of the passengers to jump on to one of the wings and then jump down to the tarmac."
Thats's what they are supposed to do since there aren't any slides at the overwing exits.
But of course everyone knew that because they had watched the safety demonstration
Thats's what they are supposed to do since there aren't any slides at the overwing exits.
But of course everyone knew that because they had watched the safety demonstration
First post states it returned to Mumbai due engine fire, second post seems to state that pax noticed fire on approach and alerted CC bla bla.
As of yet there seems to be nil accurate/non speculative info.
i.e. nowt to learn.
As of yet there seems to be nil accurate/non speculative info.
i.e. nowt to learn.
I suppose that we can make more sense out of this then what's in the papers.
I would have thought that the jump out the wing exit door would have ben about a foot or so to the wing and then a slide off the wing trailing edge to just a couple of feet hang time in the air.. nevertheless evacuations almost always result in injuries.
Of course I don't even want to go there about the need for evacuations, but seeing as the alarm started in the cabin I wouldn't be surprised that it was the passengers who decided on what course of action to take.
Perhaps someone on PPRune can post a schematic of the published overwing exit process on this type arcraft
I would have thought that the jump out the wing exit door would have ben about a foot or so to the wing and then a slide off the wing trailing edge to just a couple of feet hang time in the air.. nevertheless evacuations almost always result in injuries.
Of course I don't even want to go there about the need for evacuations, but seeing as the alarm started in the cabin I wouldn't be surprised that it was the passengers who decided on what course of action to take.
Perhaps someone on PPRune can post a schematic of the published overwing exit process on this type arcraft
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Oohhhh, evacuation over an engine fire? while taxiing? You just wait until protectthehornet reads this 
Anyway, seemed pretty much a "violent" evacuation over an engine fire; it definitely has more ways to cope with than a wheel brake fire (Jetblue at Sacramento).
But since the news writer thinks the airplane has slides on the trailing edge, I think we can assume the rest is potential rubbish too
Anyway, seemed pretty much a "violent" evacuation over an engine fire; it definitely has more ways to cope with than a wheel brake fire (Jetblue at Sacramento).
But since the news writer thinks the airplane has slides on the trailing edge, I think we can assume the rest is potential rubbish too
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2 more questions :-
1. Were the flaps set to 40 during the Evacuation Memory Items ( this helps evacuees 'slide' off the wing and arrive on the ground at a slowish speed ) ?
2. Were the pax jumping off the leading edge ?
1. Were the flaps set to 40 during the Evacuation Memory Items ( this helps evacuees 'slide' off the wing and arrive on the ground at a slowish speed ) ?
2. Were the pax jumping off the leading edge ?
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Without wanting to trivialize the incident and least of all the injuries sustained by those concerned, allow me to indulge into how this investigation will go (based on Mangalore accident):
Was the Capt an expat? Was the FO and expat? Did an expat touch, go near or ever breath on the aircraft? There's your answer: BLAME THE FOREIGNER.
Illustrious investigator then publishes a report: wrong aircraft placed at wrong airport or at the very least in the wrong part of the taxiway, or wrong engine.
Finding 1: get rid of foreigners from India as they are the scourge of aviation in that country.
Finding 2: search to discredit or cover up any evidence of poor training, recruitment, corruption or negligence on the part of the DGCA or operator.
Sorry, but your past behavior is the greatest indicator of future behavior.
Was the Capt an expat? Was the FO and expat? Did an expat touch, go near or ever breath on the aircraft? There's your answer: BLAME THE FOREIGNER.
Illustrious investigator then publishes a report: wrong aircraft placed at wrong airport or at the very least in the wrong part of the taxiway, or wrong engine.
Finding 1: get rid of foreigners from India as they are the scourge of aviation in that country.
Finding 2: search to discredit or cover up any evidence of poor training, recruitment, corruption or negligence on the part of the DGCA or operator.
Sorry, but your past behavior is the greatest indicator of future behavior.
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1) good question
2) don't forget to switch on "wing heat"
3) extend speed brake makes evacuation real funny
4) watch the 4 Indian Pilots taxiing back the airplane with shacky heads
2) don't forget to switch on "wing heat"
3) extend speed brake makes evacuation real funny
4) watch the 4 Indian Pilots taxiing back the airplane with shacky heads
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ok poor choice of words , used to be memory items , now read and do . But where I work the initial RTO or 'possible evacuation ' scenario involves RHS selecting Flap 40 among other items before following up with the NNC Evacuation c/list .Good idea to get the flaps down as it wouldn't be the first time pax have taken action BEFORE evacuation announced , and start opening the overwings and scarpering.
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Yes I agree, good idea to get the flaps down sooner rather than later.
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I think the crew jumped the gun on this one. If the aircraft was outbound as the TOI report states, they could have just returned to the gate instead of ordering an evac.
And what's the bull about the slides not opening on the overwing exits. There are no slides there (see diag. below), you've just got to slide out over the back of the wing. The slides are located only on the doors.
It's simple. The wings act as slides. Slides are required on the other exits because there's a sheer drop and you're bound to break a few bones trying to jump about 10ft or so below. If passengers sustained injuries while being evacuated from the slides or the overwing exits, it was probably a result of a mixture of over excitement and panic in the wake of the situation.
Does anyone have an idea about whether this a/c had just returned from maintenance? Could be storage oil burning off and smoke penetration through the airconditioning. Most likely a molehill rather than a mountain.
737 evacuation diagram
And what's the bull about the slides not opening on the overwing exits. There are no slides there (see diag. below), you've just got to slide out over the back of the wing. The slides are located only on the doors.
It's simple. The wings act as slides. Slides are required on the other exits because there's a sheer drop and you're bound to break a few bones trying to jump about 10ft or so below. If passengers sustained injuries while being evacuated from the slides or the overwing exits, it was probably a result of a mixture of over excitement and panic in the wake of the situation.
Does anyone have an idea about whether this a/c had just returned from maintenance? Could be storage oil burning off and smoke penetration through the airconditioning. Most likely a molehill rather than a mountain.
737 evacuation diagram
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optical illussion
The wings dont act as slides....the flaps need to be lowered to 40 as part of the evac C/L...so that the drop to the ground is reduced.
The overwing exit on the 737 is the one which causes most of the broken legs sustained in an evac.
BTW the airbus has overwing slides
Runway edge lights when viewed from behind an NG engine,can create the illussion of a steady flame inside the engine.
The overwing exit on the 737 is the one which causes most of the broken legs sustained in an evac.
BTW the airbus has overwing slides
Runway edge lights when viewed from behind an NG engine,can create the illussion of a steady flame inside the engine.
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Serious procedural lapses, pilot and crew suspended: DGCA
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What did he do that for?
Geez, I think someone took the emergency a bit too serious. Recently upgraded captain maybe?
During the taxing of aircraft, an Additional Crew Member (ACM), travelling as a passenger, seated on 35A apparently observed fire on the Left Engine and informed another ACM also travelling as a passenger, seated on 35B, who also claimed to have seen the fire.
The PIC, on receiving the confirmation pulled the fire handles for left engine, right engine and APU. However he did not discharge any of the fire bottles. PIC ordered the evacuation from the aircraft.
What did he do that for?
Geez, I think someone took the emergency a bit too serious. Recently upgraded captain maybe?
What did he do that for?
Engine and APU
fire switches (all) . . . . Override and pull
If an engine or APU fire warning occurs:
Illuminated fire switch . . . . . . . . . . Rotate to the stop and hold for 1 second
fire switches (all) . . . . Override and pull
If an engine or APU fire warning occurs:
Illuminated fire switch . . . . . . . . . . Rotate to the stop and hold for 1 second
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I agree with all that.....but...
I just have never quite agreed that the 737NG EVAC Non-Normal should have been changed to a read-and-do, as a memory checklist it was more practical!
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I just have never quite agreed that the 737NG EVAC Non-Normal should have been changed to a read-and-do, as a memory checklist it was more practical!
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bArt2 - when someone gets sued for NOT putting flaps to 40 -remember yr bollockers name !
Part of the Boeing RTO procedure is for the FO to select F 40 as the speed reduces through 60knots , now why is that ? He has also selected Press Mode to Manual and fully opened the Outflow Valve . Now , why is that ? As the Captain stops the aircraft he selects Speedbrake lever to DOWN , now why is that ?
The QRH Evac c/l is mainly follow-up / double check etc .
Its a no-brainer to get 3 Very Important Items out of the way before the flight deck fills with smoke . If the subsequent decision is to taxi to the stand , then flaps etc can be stowed away , no harm done .
Honestly , some of these 'trainers' should cut out the empire building . I was bollocked recently for not being word-perfect in my Take Off brief andnot inanely reciting the mantra which sends most copilots to sleep . I always try to bring in the 'whats different today' element to keep their attention .
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Part of the Boeing RTO procedure is for the FO to select F 40 as the speed reduces through 60knots , now why is that ? He has also selected Press Mode to Manual and fully opened the Outflow Valve . Now , why is that ? As the Captain stops the aircraft he selects Speedbrake lever to DOWN , now why is that ?
The QRH Evac c/l is mainly follow-up / double check etc .
Its a no-brainer to get 3 Very Important Items out of the way before the flight deck fills with smoke . If the subsequent decision is to taxi to the stand , then flaps etc can be stowed away , no harm done .
Honestly , some of these 'trainers' should cut out the empire building . I was bollocked recently for not being word-perfect in my Take Off brief andnot inanely reciting the mantra which sends most copilots to sleep . I always try to bring in the 'whats different today' element to keep their attention .
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