Jet Airways 737 Engine Fire
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The crew have indicated their level of knowledge already, confusing a rotating beacon reflection with an engine fire....
.... as aircraft of today's generation are equipped with flashing/strobed beacons rather than rotating beacons.Don't be hasty to criticize
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Reflections of flashing beacons are not very visible during daytime operations. The crew of the China Airlines were alerted to visible smoke from various sources which prompted the evacuation.
Wow, amazing footage: At the start of the film the fire was well alight and it still took 4 min 30 secs for the fire trucks to get to the aircraft. Despite the conflagration, it only took them 15 secs to get it under control and by 30 secs it was substantially out. I note that the Final Report criticises the Fire Services in this case.
It just goes to show how confusing the initial signs from outside the cabin can be to a flightcrew when combined with warnings or lack thereof (as was the case in India and initially in Okinawa) from the fire detection systems.
It just goes to show how confusing the initial signs from outside the cabin can be to a flightcrew when combined with warnings or lack thereof (as was the case in India and initially in Okinawa) from the fire detection systems.
As long as we're playing "what if" and presumptions with news reports.
What would be the likely response of most pilots if the FA announced to the pilot that there was a fire visible under the aircraft's right wing and should they evacuate.
Of course I expect a scan of the instruments, but if nothing was showing on the instruments, what next? ... remember time is of the essence.
since they are on a taxiway and either stopped or moving slowly a fuel leak and pool fire is possible
What would be the likely response of most pilots if the FA announced to the pilot that there was a fire visible under the aircraft's right wing and should they evacuate.
Of course I expect a scan of the instruments, but if nothing was showing on the instruments, what next? ... remember time is of the essence.
since they are on a taxiway and either stopped or moving slowly a fuel leak and pool fire is possible
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Jet Airways COO, Hamid Ali, in denial, yet again!
Jet Airways, in its media statement, said the ''crew carried out the evacuation in accordance with standard operating procedures''.
''Preliminary fact-finding by the DGCA has indicated serious procedural lapses in dealing with the emergency and evacuation situation as per existing procedures laid down in aircraft rules,''
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Gulf Air improves offer
"Captain Hamid Ali, has previously rejected reports that pilot error was behind the crash".
Any investigation by the DGCA should start with Mr. Ali and the fact of his prior association with hull loss.
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Hi,
Are you an expat pilot? I'm researching a story on expat pilots in India, and I would like very much to speak with an expat pilot who has worked in India or is still here. I need to hear your point of view, as I have interviewed a few Indian commercial pilots. Kindly drop me an email at [email protected] or send me a phone number which I can reach you on. Anonymity will be respected if you still work here or plan to return.
thanks.
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I would like to add (in response to the post below) that I have no sinister ulterior motives whatsoever. This is my work profile:
Shruti Ravindran | LinkedIn
I am merely researching a piece on expat pilots, who the DGCA plans to phase out in the next two years.
Are you an expat pilot? I'm researching a story on expat pilots in India, and I would like very much to speak with an expat pilot who has worked in India or is still here. I need to hear your point of view, as I have interviewed a few Indian commercial pilots. Kindly drop me an email at [email protected] or send me a phone number which I can reach you on. Anonymity will be respected if you still work here or plan to return.
thanks.
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I would like to add (in response to the post below) that I have no sinister ulterior motives whatsoever. This is my work profile:
Shruti Ravindran | LinkedIn
I am merely researching a piece on expat pilots, who the DGCA plans to phase out in the next two years.
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DO NOT REPLY TO THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FROM EXPAT PILOTS BY THIS ALLEGED "WRITER".
DURING HIS TENURE AS DFO AT GULF AIR, HAMID ALI USED ALL METHODS TO FIND PILOTS THAT MAY HAVE POSTED ANY ANTI GULF AIR MESSAGES. HE MAY NOW BE EMPLOYING THE SAME TACTICS IN HIS NEW POST AS CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER AT JET AIRWAYS.
IF THIS WRITER IS LEGITIMATE, HE CAN RESEARCH THIS WEBSITE FOR THE INFORMATION HE REQUESTS.
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A comprehensive, official report of the GF072 crash and the complicity by the gross failings of the department headed by Mr. Hamid Ali (do not call this man Captain), can be found at the following link:
GF072 Final Report (click on each blue heading to open the specific section)
Sadly, as evidenced by numerous threads regarding incidents at Jet Airways, it would appear that Mr. Ali condones the same sub-standard and innefective training as he did while DFO at Gulf Air.
DURING HIS TENURE AS DFO AT GULF AIR, HAMID ALI USED ALL METHODS TO FIND PILOTS THAT MAY HAVE POSTED ANY ANTI GULF AIR MESSAGES. HE MAY NOW BE EMPLOYING THE SAME TACTICS IN HIS NEW POST AS CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER AT JET AIRWAYS.
IF THIS WRITER IS LEGITIMATE, HE CAN RESEARCH THIS WEBSITE FOR THE INFORMATION HE REQUESTS.
____________________
A comprehensive, official report of the GF072 crash and the complicity by the gross failings of the department headed by Mr. Hamid Ali (do not call this man Captain), can be found at the following link:
GF072 Final Report (click on each blue heading to open the specific section)
Sadly, as evidenced by numerous threads regarding incidents at Jet Airways, it would appear that Mr. Ali condones the same sub-standard and innefective training as he did while DFO at Gulf Air.
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Capt Hamid Ali ( dont know if he ever flew ) seems to bring some interesting quotes from people who have worked for him. Coming from a Middle east country where there are zero norms about labour and have never heard about words like democracy or unions has had problems fitting in the indian mindset. The pilots strike in Sept 2009 was a direct result of his high handness in sacking pilots for starting an union . It seems he forgot to check the Indian constitution. in his years in jet airways he has lived up to reptuation (ex gulf air ) ...
