Age 70 for international pilots?
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costing the company around $250K to endorse them on A380
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Tankengine, will the redundancies be in the area that the company is now finding itself surplus?
Are you saying that your company is now about to breach an existing agreement? Go straight to court.
Most companies won't endorse a new type on a pilots licence if they can't give a minimum of three years return of service from the date of final line check onto the new type. $250K is nonsense, even $150K would be questionable for in-house training. How many conversions to type did Airbus offer with each new A380 airframe delivered?
You use terms like:
and
Do you really believe that? Anyone employed in mainline Australian aviation is on a pretty fair wicket.
One part of that extension was that if any pilot was to be made redundant the over 55s were first to go!
Our company is now 180 pilots overstaffed according to management but the young guys will be those that suffer!
Our company is now 180 pilots overstaffed according to management but the young guys will be those that suffer!
Even some to the extent of costing the company around $250K to endorse them on A380 for their last 2-3 years!
You use terms like:
those that suffer
while others suffer
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I have just a simple question on the subject - does anyone
REALLY want to stay in this damn racket till they're 70????
Come on man get real! A lot of us would be out of this mug's
game if we had the financial resource to do so. I pity the guys
who have no choice but to go to 65 in order to support their
ex's and/or wives and/or girlfriends but 70 is just downright
ridiculous.
However I'm all for age 70 for PPLs and RPPLs - I still want to
be able to legally fly a Cub or Tiger Moth by then (older than
70 and I of course will go bush).
REALLY want to stay in this damn racket till they're 70????
Come on man get real! A lot of us would be out of this mug's
game if we had the financial resource to do so. I pity the guys
who have no choice but to go to 65 in order to support their
ex's and/or wives and/or girlfriends but 70 is just downright
ridiculous.
However I'm all for age 70 for PPLs and RPPLs - I still want to
be able to legally fly a Cub or Tiger Moth by then (older than
70 and I of course will go bush).
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Suspect this fellow fly's the DC8 that NOAA is using. Heard thta it was manned mostly by retired UPS pilots. Would be a good gig and I'm sure there are others behind that are waiting for the job. I doubt that it's a career type position but none the less, it's flying.
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"anyone employed in mainline Australian aviation is on a pretty good wicket"
Well they won't be employed after being made redundant.
You think $250K is outrageous Ballsout - more like $25K?
Well, current 744 Captains being paid for up to 8 months during training, yep - that is how long some of them are taking! Add that to your $25K endorsement and it will be more than $250K!
Parabellum,
No breach of existing agreements - my example is 23 years old, NSW law changed so no discrimination on age NOW, not so when ALL of these guys joined.
My point is that you posted that 65 was what guys signed up for before dropping to 60, now back to 65. Well not in this case, I personally signed up to 55 and so did everyone who joined before me. Times have changed and now younger crews have to continue to 60 to get their super without tax, the over 60s can do that now!
You can go on forever domestically now but don't spruke that that is what anybody "signed up for".
Well they won't be employed after being made redundant.
You think $250K is outrageous Ballsout - more like $25K?
Well, current 744 Captains being paid for up to 8 months during training, yep - that is how long some of them are taking! Add that to your $25K endorsement and it will be more than $250K!
Parabellum,
No breach of existing agreements - my example is 23 years old, NSW law changed so no discrimination on age NOW, not so when ALL of these guys joined.
My point is that you posted that 65 was what guys signed up for before dropping to 60, now back to 65. Well not in this case, I personally signed up to 55 and so did everyone who joined before me. Times have changed and now younger crews have to continue to 60 to get their super without tax, the over 60s can do that now!
You can go on forever domestically now but don't spruke that that is what anybody "signed up for".
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No doubt in my mind. I do not wish to be flown in a large jet transport by someone over 65.
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If a pilot wants to fly to 70 and they are fit enough, fine.
Just how scientists can test cognitive agility given that they don't even have an OBJECTIVE, REAL TIME test for fatigue levels, I don't know.
In RYR everyone knows what you get in the sim in advance anyway, so no real test of the old grey matter there then.
In any case, someone who has spent over 40 years gawping at a primary flight display and wants to do 5 more years gawping at a primary flight display can't be all there anyway !
Come on guys there is more to life than floating about 37,000 feet away from where all the fun is ( The Earth for those who have forgotten !).
Just how scientists can test cognitive agility given that they don't even have an OBJECTIVE, REAL TIME test for fatigue levels, I don't know.
In RYR everyone knows what you get in the sim in advance anyway, so no real test of the old grey matter there then.
In any case, someone who has spent over 40 years gawping at a primary flight display and wants to do 5 more years gawping at a primary flight display can't be all there anyway !
Come on guys there is more to life than floating about 37,000 feet away from where all the fun is ( The Earth for those who have forgotten !).
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The older I get, the better I get. And I need less sleep, which is useful for trans-Atlantic long-haul and deep-night mid-haul flights to those s...-holes LTAI, LTBS, and those dodgy Egyptian places.
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If I were sitting in back, I'd rather have two 60 year olds up front than two 40 year olds.
I only started to develop as a pilot once I reached 40.
Here's some wisdom:
A 30 year old flies for survival.
A 40 year old flies for competence.
A 50 year old flies for elegance.
I only started to develop as a pilot once I reached 40.
Here's some wisdom:
A 30 year old flies for survival.
A 40 year old flies for competence.
A 50 year old flies for elegance.
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i beg to differ,statistically the older pilots have a better record in safety.Pilots tend to be most unsafe between 37 to 45
Which source?
thx
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Beamer
I'll see your sarcasm and raise you with a few more facts. My medical examiner has no issues and neither does the outfit I fly for. The government? Oh yeah, they're the outfit I fly for. All bases covered...show on the road and safe. 
Press on.
Desert
Good to know that we can rely on 'scientists' and 'pilot managers' to keep show on the road and guarantee safety.
Good to know that we can rely on 'scientists' and 'pilot managers' to keep show on the road and guarantee safety.
Press on.
Originally Posted by Tankengine
I wonder what the medical examiner for the Reno race pilot thought!?
Tankengine:
While medical condition may indeed have played a a role in the Reno accident, you have absolutely NO knowledge supporting that it did or didn't. Even if investigation ultimately finds medical incapacitation to have been causal, your statement still displays your ignorance of medical examination procedures. Pilots have dropped dead walking to their car after passing a thorough examination and EKG. Try doing some thinking before spouting off about things you know nothing about. Whatever your agenda is, you should consider keeping your ill advised conclusions to yourself until you have some factual basis for making them.
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Bravo, Westhawk.
Also, Jimmy Leeward (the race pilot in question) may have friends and family here, so I would be very careful about any disparaging or speculative remarks. We have dead and injured in the Northern Nevada and aviation community. Show some restraint, folks.
Also, Jimmy Leeward (the race pilot in question) may have friends and family here, so I would be very careful about any disparaging or speculative remarks. We have dead and injured in the Northern Nevada and aviation community. Show some restraint, folks.
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My apologies to anyone knowing the race pilot concerned.
My post was in direct response to Desert 185's above it.
Westhawk,
your comment re pilots dropping dead after a medical supports the argument for a lower age limit as those tests may not be sufficient.
Are you happy to raise the age to 90? - 100?
If not - why not?
My post was in direct response to Desert 185's above it.
Westhawk,
your comment re pilots dropping dead after a medical supports the argument for a lower age limit as those tests may not be sufficient.
Are you happy to raise the age to 90? - 100?
If not - why not?