Bad RWY at JFK again
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Wiley, I am a 'kick it straight' cross wind pilot. I have never had a problem right up to max crosswinds. Although I tried it your way after being shown it in the sim. OMG! I thought we'd crashed! It was the most scary, stupid and un controlled crosswind landing technique I have ever had the stupidity to try out. That was on a 757. I'm sticking to the old way thanks. Its not ace of the base its called being a pilot!
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It was the most scary, stupid and un controlled crosswind landing technique I have ever had the stupidity to try out.
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Strange then that it's the way the Boeing autopilot does it (on the 777 at least) in an autoland.
I guess that puts me in the "ego-trippin' heroes-" camp...
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On Airbuses, LLZ signal is processed so the deviation displayed on PFDs is that between the LLZ beam and the aircraft yaw axis...
The fitted Multi-Mode Receivers take care of that.
The fitted Multi-Mode Receivers take care of that.
This is not correct. Having landed in x-winds on A330, A343 and 346, if this feature has really been implemented, it does not work. The landings are not scary, but they need proficiency.
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Storms at JFK 19/7/10
Would love to hear from any jockeys caught up in the storm action at JFK on 19/7/10 at around 1700z. Sounded like things were getting hectic, with quite a few inbounds on min fuel after multiple go-arounds. Quick runway changes were required, and a Lufthansa just made it in after switching from 22L to 04R having asked for clearance to another field if the 3rd attempt didn't come off. Would be interested to hear what people thought of the ATC in the situation. Sounded pretty impressive to me.
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Nothing to do with JFK, but some time past I was doing a line check on a pilot whose first language was not english and in a company that would translate all documents for the pilots into their own language. I was in the jump seat and he did a superb job in a 30 knot direct crosswind, manually flying the ILS onto a shortish runway. Superb job.
But at the last minute he failed to kick straight, held wings level and landed with all the drift. I truly thought all the main wheel tires would have been rolled off the rims, and the impact was dreadful, made the worse because it was so totally unexpected. Yet he was smiling as if he had done a great job.
In the crew bus I debriefed him and asked him what had gone wrong, but he professed no knowledge of what, or why, I was complaining about. He claimed he had followed all procedures correctly.
I asked him to explain the procedure, and he was correct except for the need to straighten the airplane. He said that in the B744 it was normal to hold the airplane in the crab until after touchdown.
I suspected the translation and showed him the english version. he was surprised to read that the technique he was using was only applicable to a WET runway.
But at the last minute he failed to kick straight, held wings level and landed with all the drift. I truly thought all the main wheel tires would have been rolled off the rims, and the impact was dreadful, made the worse because it was so totally unexpected. Yet he was smiling as if he had done a great job.
In the crew bus I debriefed him and asked him what had gone wrong, but he professed no knowledge of what, or why, I was complaining about. He claimed he had followed all procedures correctly.
I asked him to explain the procedure, and he was correct except for the need to straighten the airplane. He said that in the B744 it was normal to hold the airplane in the crab until after touchdown.
I suspected the translation and showed him the english version. he was surprised to read that the technique he was using was only applicable to a WET runway.
