Ash clouds threaten air traffic
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@ Scott C:
Depends where you are. Heathrow's at capacity, at least for preferred schedule times - but CAA could decide to open up to night landings in these "exceptional circumstances"?
But are there trained staff to deal with Customs and Border control? Or would they have to wait to queue in the morning to be let into the country?
If your repatriated holidaymakers don't mind being landed at Goole, only the latter consideration applies.
Depends where you are. Heathrow's at capacity, at least for preferred schedule times - but CAA could decide to open up to night landings in these "exceptional circumstances"?
But are there trained staff to deal with Customs and Border control? Or would they have to wait to queue in the morning to be let into the country?
If your repatriated holidaymakers don't mind being landed at Goole, only the latter consideration applies.
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Thanks for the reply.
I would have thought that the airports and airlines would work every hour to get things back to normal.
I had my flight with Emirates from Manchester to Beijing cancelled last Thursday and hope to go this Thursday. However,at £458 return l do wonder if paying an additional charge into a fund to help out stranded passengers in events like these would be a good idea....£10 extra and l would still have bought the ticket.
We all want something for nothing nowadays....flying is an expensive business
I would have thought that the airports and airlines would work every hour to get things back to normal.
I had my flight with Emirates from Manchester to Beijing cancelled last Thursday and hope to go this Thursday. However,at £458 return l do wonder if paying an additional charge into a fund to help out stranded passengers in events like these would be a good idea....£10 extra and l would still have bought the ticket.
We all want something for nothing nowadays....flying is an expensive business
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At severe risk of my Forum access, could the Mods consider removing some of the "Spotters' Forum" stuff?
The fact that a certain aircraft is over Brecon, or all the other 'radar spotter' inpts, isn't exactly taking the debate forward. Or helping those hoping to see operations resume.
I know you're trying to cope with a mountain of work, but it's getting impossible to sift the wheat from the chaff here.
Apologies in advance if that's inappropriate.
The fact that a certain aircraft is over Brecon, or all the other 'radar spotter' inpts, isn't exactly taking the debate forward. Or helping those hoping to see operations resume.
I know you're trying to cope with a mountain of work, but it's getting impossible to sift the wheat from the chaff here.
Apologies in advance if that's inappropriate.
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FRA looks pretty busy. At least 5 Condor aircraft have left in a few minutes.
What? Where? Who?
Do these 5 ac solve the problems of tens of thousands of pax?
Or all the airlines that are seeing money pouring down the drains?
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@ MPN 11
I see your point, but, at the end of the day it's helpful for those of us who are trying to report what is going on to mitigate the whole issue.
I fall between several stools here, I manage a few aircraft, fly, budget, pay the bills and coordinate other aspects besides.
Im not having a pop, I'm just pointing out that what is chaff to one person is wheat to another.
I agree that dredging up things that went on almost 30 years ago and that are highly unlikely now, are less then helpful, but whatever the scientific basis, the fact that test flights are taking place to help is a relevant point, and information about which flights are routinely able to operate to and from where is also salient for all of us.
Best Regards
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I see your point, but, at the end of the day it's helpful for those of us who are trying to report what is going on to mitigate the whole issue.
I fall between several stools here, I manage a few aircraft, fly, budget, pay the bills and coordinate other aspects besides.
Im not having a pop, I'm just pointing out that what is chaff to one person is wheat to another.
I agree that dredging up things that went on almost 30 years ago and that are highly unlikely now, are less then helpful, but whatever the scientific basis, the fact that test flights are taking place to help is a relevant point, and information about which flights are routinely able to operate to and from where is also salient for all of us.
Best Regards
Jeff
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Hi. I only normally post on the historic aviation forum, but this ash cloud thing is such a big issue that I've got questions that can only-I think-be answered here. At the outset, I should also say that I am not a pilot or an engineer, merely a long time propliner enthusiast.
I know, of course, that turborprops are merely jet engines attached to propellors, but could it be said that they are somewhat less vulnerable to damage from the ash cloud? If so-and someone shoot me down for my technical ignorance if necessary-could Europe's fleet of such aircraft undertake some flights, or is the risk of damage to the engines/risk to the aircraft and passengers simply too high?
I only suggest this because the situation does seem to be getting somewhat desperate. I await your guidance with interest.
Otherwise, given the situation and the nice weather we've had in the UK in recent days, presumably the lack of any commercial flights is nirvana for private flyers in piston-engined light aircraft? And on that tack, could air taxi piston-engined aircraft do a little ferrying about of the privileged few who could afford to hire them at this time?
Apologies too if these questions have already been raised, but this thread is so massive, I've just not had time to read any but a tiny no of the posts in it.
I know, of course, that turborprops are merely jet engines attached to propellors, but could it be said that they are somewhat less vulnerable to damage from the ash cloud? If so-and someone shoot me down for my technical ignorance if necessary-could Europe's fleet of such aircraft undertake some flights, or is the risk of damage to the engines/risk to the aircraft and passengers simply too high?
I only suggest this because the situation does seem to be getting somewhat desperate. I await your guidance with interest.
Otherwise, given the situation and the nice weather we've had in the UK in recent days, presumably the lack of any commercial flights is nirvana for private flyers in piston-engined light aircraft? And on that tack, could air taxi piston-engined aircraft do a little ferrying about of the privileged few who could afford to hire them at this time?
Apologies too if these questions have already been raised, but this thread is so massive, I've just not had time to read any but a tiny no of the posts in it.
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FlyBe boss calls for FAA rules to apply
Jim French of FlyBe has just been interviewed on BBCNews 24. Interestingly he wants Europe & in particualr the CAA to come into line with the FAA rules regarding flying in areas of volcanic ash clouds which he claimed would allow an immediate restart.
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sorry
Offcourse with respect and same risk because i like it here, and no meaning to offend you
sorry there are some people exited about the few in industry who try move there ass of landingstrips and reports on that to follow also the solutions and speculations.
Dont tell me that this post from you contributes to solve dust matters?:
Jersey Airport has been very busy with repairs on the taxiways and rw.
I think it was yours
Grtz
sorry there are some people exited about the few in industry who try move there ass of landingstrips and reports on that to follow also the solutions and speculations.
Dont tell me that this post from you contributes to solve dust matters?:
Jersey Airport has been very busy with repairs on the taxiways and rw.
I think it was yours
Grtz
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The safest option is always to not allow anyone to fly
One might wonder if zee Govt is in a better position to make that decision than the Companies, the pilots and the PAX.
One might wonder if zee Govt is in a better position to make that decision than the Companies, the pilots and the PAX.
And yes i think the govt is in a better position to decide than all of the above and i would also include NATS. Thats what the govt is there for. To make those hard decisions, thats the point of them. The airlines would have continued flying, the pilots would have been under massive pressure to fly and with the greatest respect to the PAX most of them seem to think i stand in front of a parking aircraft waving two table tennis bats so i'll not listen to them. The reason that NATS took the course of action that they did is because the CAA and DofT wouldn't.
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Unfortunately Jim French didn't go into anymore detail (it was only a 2 minute interview) but hopefully someone on here will know about the FAA rules? (guidelines).
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More teasers coming from Eurocontrol's tweeted messages.. Regarding "negotiations"... Hopefully there will be some real news this time. Press release coming soon
Better news i hear, new maps anyone ??
Better news i hear, new maps anyone ??
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Sorry about that "Over Brecon" bit. In normal circumstances you would obviously have a point and normally I would not bother reporting an aircraft making Brecon, although apparently being the only commercial aircraft in UK airspace does give it celebrity.
What I should perhaps have said, rather than taking the short cut, is that it is interesting that BA seem now to be mounting positive steps towards understanding more clearly what we are up against and that the only aircraft currently visible in UK airspace does seems to be said BA test flight, which happens to be flying cautiously over Brecon.
This looks like a positive move from BA and I hope it sheds some light.
Rgds
What I should perhaps have said, rather than taking the short cut, is that it is interesting that BA seem now to be mounting positive steps towards understanding more clearly what we are up against and that the only aircraft currently visible in UK airspace does seems to be said BA test flight, which happens to be flying cautiously over Brecon.
This looks like a positive move from BA and I hope it sheds some light.
Rgds